Phil Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 Quotes from the latest episode of the Jeff Marek show, which you can listen to here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marek-friedman-can-the-leafs-land-the-sharks-big-fish/id354153569?i=1000599074822 -- The eye-popping quote is obviously Jeff's "showcase" line, but the way Friedman follows up leaves little reason to think Kravtsov is gonna be here very much longer. -- Update 2/13: Quote 1. The Post has confirmed that Vitali Kravtsov’s camp has requested that No. 74 be moved ahead of the March 3 deadline if he is not a part of the club’s immediate plans. Saturday’s scratch in Carolina after having been reinserted into the lineup the previous night against Seattle following four straight in street clothes indicates that he is not. https://nypost.com/2023/02/12/the-only-way-rangers-should-grant-vitali-kravtsov-trade-ask/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 28 minutes ago, Phil said: Quotes from the latest episode of the Jeff Marek show, which you can listen to here: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/marek-friedman-can-the-leafs-land-the-sharks-big-fish/id354153569?i=1000599074822 -- The eye-popping quote is obviously Jeff's "showcase" line, but the way Friedman follows up leaves little reason to think Kravtsov is gonna be here very much longer. He probably is. The funny thing is though, they don’t need to trade him to get a 4th liner. Even at C. There are droves of those guys available. They come relatively cheap. They don’t make much so the cap isn’t an issue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 For what though? We send a 4th liner, a B-tier prospect and a 1st for a top-6 RW and depth defenseman. We only need 4th liners now. That would be crazy bad asset management based on costs. Might as well ship out Colorado's 3rd or any of next year's 2nd, 3rd, or 5th for the depth guys. We'll need productive cheap players again next year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 Here's the thing, in "showcasing" him you hope he actually does something to improve his value, but if he actually does something then you don't need to trade him. Best case scenario is that this line works perfectly because CK and Tro driving to the net gives Krav the space to use his creativity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winter Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 Kravtsov should be given the next few weeks in the lineup regardless since his fail safe is already on the roster (Vesey) Panarin-Zib-Tarasenko Laf-Chytil-Kakko Kreider-Trocheck-Krav Vesey-*traded for 4c*-Goodrow Gaut/Cuylle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 32 minutes ago, Cash or Czech said: For what though? We send a 4th liner, a B-tier prospect and a 1st for a top-6 RW and depth defenseman. We only need 4th liners now. That would be crazy bad asset management based on costs. Might as well ship out Colorado's 3rd or any of next year's 2nd, 3rd, or 5th for the depth guys. We'll need productive cheap players again next year. Productive, cheap players will be available, whether through ELCs, through FA, through PTOs, through callups, or through trades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieNextel305 Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 Panarin-Zibanejad-Tarasenko Kreider-Trocheck-Kane Lafreniere-Chytil-Kakko Gauthier-Goodrow-Vesey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 I could see Krav to a team looking to take the next step from rebuild to playoff contention next year. Detroit for example. They might want a young 20s guy who can step in the lineup and potentially make noise. Maybe something like Krav for Suter and a 3rd. Rangers get a 4C who can PK, and a mid round pick to help offset some asset loss in deals of late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 The kid's got talent...no need to trade him. This team is set. He's going to be a much better player in time. I hang with him. 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 6 hours ago, Ozzy said: The kid's got talent...no need to trade him. This team is set. He's going to be a much better player in time. I hang with him. The reason you trade him is because he doesn't want to be here. He's not being played, and when he is he's not being played to his strengths. The humane thing to do is to trade him because he's probably just going to go back to Russia. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWantsTheCup Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 If you can get what you believe is the final piece to win a cup you have to trade Kravtsov. Even if it's just for a 4th line center and a mid round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 40 minutes ago, Pete said: The reason you trade him is because he doesn't want to be here. He's not being played, and when he is he's not being played to his strengths. The humane thing to do is to trade him because he's probably just going to go back to Russia. You're actually not expecting me to make sense at 2am, are you? LOL ...especially after a night at MSG and the beer bar right next to us! Dude, it was like I went to heaven, and Tarasenko scored! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 Just now, Ozzy said: You're actually not expecting me to make sense at 2am, are you? LOL ...especially after a night at MSG and the beer bar right next to us! Dude, it was like I went to heaven, and Tarasenko scored! You made sense to me! Kravy has the makings of a good player, but @Pete got lucky with a decent point too. Keeping him is a good approach from the team’s perspective, but Kravtsov might feel differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 13 minutes ago, BrooksBurner said: You made sense to me! Kravy has the makings of a good player, but @Pete got lucky with a decent point too. Keeping him is a good approach from the team’s perspective, but Kravtsov might feel differently. It's not getting lucky when it's just common sense. I guess it can be considered lucky because common sense isn't always common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 You know what RMC, It's like either way it goes I can be okay with it. If we can turn trading him into a solid acquisition that becomes a part of this yeam for a long time, it's a good "Hockey trade". If we keep him and let him mature into a player who looks like he's got all the tools, I'd be okay with that too. It seems to be working out ok with the kids so far. But we shall see where this goes. Kravvy hasn't had the smoothest road here. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 I don't think league interest is up to where his value actually is. Nor do I think he is as disgruntled as people assume (dont think he wants to go back to Russia). His time will come. He'll either be a Ranger or be traded for decent value. He's not running back to Russia. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 If this kid realizes his potential, you’re probably talking about another 150-200 games before he does so. I don’t love the idea of trading him, especially for a 4th line rental. But he’s not playing here. Might as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsm7302 Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 3 minutes ago, RangersIn7 said: If this kid realizes his potential, you’re probably talking about another 150-200 games before he does so. I don’t love the idea of trading him, especially for a 4th line rental. But he’s not playing here. Might as well Can he take the leap we've seen with Chytil and Kakko this year? If so, his place would be solidified in the top 6. But again, he would need to play and prolly a season or two away from being there. This team doesn't have the freedom to let him grow like that when we are trying to win a Cup with this core. We aren't rebuilding and developing at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 17 minutes ago, jsm7302 said: Can he take the leap we've seen with Chytil and Kakko this year? If so, his place would be solidified in the top 6. But again, he would need to play and prolly a season or two away from being there. This team doesn't have the freedom to let him grow like that when we are trying to win a Cup with this core. We aren't rebuilding and developing at this point. He's gonna be cheap and we'll need cheap again next year. Don't see them trading him unless he holds out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 44 minutes ago, jsm7302 said: Can he take the leap we've seen with Chytil and Kakko this year? If so, his place would be solidified in the top 6. But again, he would need to play and prolly a season or two away from being there. This team doesn't have the freedom to let him grow like that when we are trying to win a Cup with this core. We aren't rebuilding and developing at this point. 26 minutes ago, Long live the King said: He's gonna be cheap and we'll need cheap again next year. Don't see them trading him unless he holds out. I think he has the talent to be a very good NHL player. But he’s played what, 50 NHL games? And done so very sporadically and in very limited minutes. Fewer minutes is one thing. At least you’re in the lineup nightly. But if he’s scratched a lot, you’ll never know as long as he’s here. He didn’t get drafted in the top-10 for no reason. He’s gotta play though, but he’s not a 4th line player. Giving him 10+ games with Kreider and Trochek is a good start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 He's not a top 6 guy, realistically right now he's playing on the third best line and he's the square peg trying to be driven onto the round hole. It's far from ideal from either side. I think the odds are stacked against him lasting in this current slot when it comes to him lasting there going in to the playoffs. I think playing him where he is is an experiment or showcase (which is only better than showcasing him from the pressbox). I don't think they go into the playoffs experimenting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jdog99 Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 Your gonna need all the cheap options you can get over the next handful of seasons...and krav at least still has a high ceiling. Something to consider. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Br4d Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 Kravtsov makes more sense on this roster now that we have Tarasenko. He can play or sit, probably both, and develop without any pressure to put him up in the top 9. He can play on the Tro-Kreider line or that line can drop to line 3 with Goodrow at RW and the kids up getting line 2 minutes while Kravtsov sits. It's almost like he's a freebie prospect at this point because RW is stable in his presence and in his absence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 He sure wouldn't bring the 9th overall pick that we used on him, but he's still worth more than what it should take to get a passable 4th line center as a rental, which is about a 3rd rounder. I'm satisfied to leave him be for now, and I don't feel getting a 4C is imperative. I know GG doesn't perfer Goodrow as a center, but would what we get on the cheap really be better? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 He's back working the nachos and popcorn again after one game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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