RJWantsTheCup Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 3 hours ago, jsm7302 said: Disagree. Vatrano was part of the heart and soul that made this run happen. Kid never stopped skating. Im hoping him and Motte are the resignings from the UFA acquisitions. Not sure they have the cap space to sign Vatrano. I think most Rangers fans would want him back if they can figure a way to do it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYR2711 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 3 hours ago, jsm7302 said: Disagree. Vatrano was part of the heart and soul that made this run happen. Kid never stopped skating. Im hoping him and Motte are the resignings from the UFA acquisitions. Motte is a good possibility, all depends on what he is asking for. I don’t think Vatrano comes back, with the cap staying stagnant, can’t afford him. They have to sign either Copp or Strome for the second line center spot. That leaves two openings on the right side. I am hoping they can get a deal with Copp because he can bounce from center to wing, and if Othman is ready, give him a shot on that line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 Vatrano is coming off a deal, signed after his lone 20 goal season, that paid him $2.5 per. How much more would he be entitled to now? He still hasn't been a top 6 player except for for a brief time with the Rangers, and that wouldn't be his role if he returned. At the end of the day, we have to fill roster spots, and they can't all be players in the $750K-1.5M range. What a comparison: Vatrano for 4th round pick. Copp for 1st, 2nd and significant prospect (Barron). Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYR2711 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 11 minutes ago, Sod16 said: Vatrano is coming off a deal, signed after his lone 20 goal season, that paid him $2.5 per. How much more would he be entitled to now? He still hasn't been a top 6 player except for for a brief time with the Rangers, and that wouldn't be his role if he returned. At the end of the day, we have to fill roster spots, and they can't all be players in the $750K-1.5M range. What a comparison: Vatrano for 4th round pick. Copp for 1st, 2nd and significant prospect (Barron). Wow. Rangers only have $13M in cap space this season to sign a second line center, a back up, 6th defenseman (that is reliable), 4th line center. And next year, Miller, Chytil and Laf are up for new deals. Kakko is an RFA this year. They don’t have the cap space to sign guys like Vatrano and Motte and Copp/Strome and still be able to sign everyone else. Vatrano would probably be $3.5-4M. He doesn’t fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 2 hours ago, NYR2711 said: They don’t have the cap space to sign guys like Vatrano and Motte and Copp/Strome and still be able to sign everyone else. Vatrano would probably be $3.5-4M. He doesn’t fit. Yup, they've got a real mess on their hands. If Vatrano is really in that range, then they can't sign him. As for Motte, if they can sign him for $1.5, they probably might as well. Who are they going to put in that spot in the alternative and how much would they pay him? One thing's for sure, more than they money or the term, they can't hand out full or partial NTs anymore (Nemeth!!) as there are going to have to be salary dumps in the future. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsm7302 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 2 hours ago, NYR2711 said: Rangers only have $13M in cap space this season to sign a second line center, a back up, 6th defenseman (that is reliable), 4th line center. And next year, Miller, Chytil and Laf are up for new deals. Kakko is an RFA this year. They don’t have the cap space to sign guys like Vatrano and Motte and Copp/Strome and still be able to sign everyone else. Vatrano would probably be $3.5-4M. He doesn’t fit. Deals must be made; deals must be made. Expect some trades otherwise this whole run was an aberration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 23 minutes ago, jsm7302 said: Deals must be made; deals must be made. Expect some trades otherwise this whole run was an aberration. Correct. Things have to go pretty perfectly this offseason and during the season to have a shot at getting back to where we got this year. There's likely a step back year coming up. Then things get serious again. The step back won't feel so bad if we know it's coming at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsm7302 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 7 hours ago, rmc51 said: Correct. Things have to go pretty perfectly this offseason and during the season to have a shot at getting back to where we got this year. There's likely a step back year coming up. Then things get serious again. The step back won't feel so bad if we know it's coming at least. Selling Nemeth for a draft pick would be big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 This is where Drury shows us whether or not he’s actually an effective GM. Mending fences with Kravtsov and making good deals at the deadline are both good things. But now he has to find a way to improve the roster, fill the holes effectively, keep the core intact, and do it all in a tight cap window. It’s a HUGE off-season for him. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 29 minutes ago, RangersIn7 said: This is where Drury shows us whether or not he’s actually an effective GM. Mending fences with Kravtsov and making good deals at the deadline are both good things. But now he has to find a way to improve the roster, fill the holes effectively, keep the core intact, and do it all in a tight cap window. It’s a HUGE off-season for him. In Drury We Trust.... There's a reason he was so sought after as a GM before he took over here. Now we'll see why. I really have high hopes that he's going to get this thing on track with the cap. Off to a great start with Kravvy! That's a steal! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpshooter Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 1 hour ago, RangersIn7 said: This is where Drury shows us whether or not he’s actually an effective GM. Mending fences with Kravtsov and making good deals at the deadline are both good things. But now he has to find a way to improve the roster, fill the holes effectively, keep the core intact, and do it all in a tight cap window. It’s a HUGE off-season for him. It really is. This could be a very intriguing offseason, good, bad or indifferent. He's got some major roster gymnastics ahead. This is a solid start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 13, 2022 Author Share Posted June 13, 2022 2 hours ago, RangersIn7 said: This is where Drury shows us whether or not he’s actually an effective GM. Mending fences with Kravtsov and making good deals at the deadline are both good things. But now he has to find a way to improve the roster, fill the holes effectively, keep the core intact, and do it all in a tight cap window. It’s a HUGE off-season for him. He's already shown us he's an effective GM and every off-season is huge. I don't think this one is any more important than others. He whiffed on the Buch deal, but most everything else he's done has been solid, if not good. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Heaven Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 9 minutes ago, Phil said: He's already shown us he's an effective GM and every off-season is huge. I don't think this one is any more important than others. He whiffed on the Buch deal, but most everything else he's done has been solid, if not good. Nemeth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 13, 2022 Author Share Posted June 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, Blue Heaven said: Nemeth Right idea. Wrong player. But I'll give you that, too. Most of his work has been good, though. Especially the entire trade deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, Phil said: He's already shown us he's an effective GM and every off-season is huge. I don't think this one is any more important than others. He whiffed on the Buch deal, but most everything else he's done has been solid, if not good. Yes… but how effective? Team that’s good long-term effective? Or…. Win a Cup and thinking about more Cups effective? Im not disagreeing with you, BTW. Nor am I being a Doubting Thomas. I have faith in him. I’m simply saying that looking at the roster, he has some big items to deal with and not tons of cap room to do it with. Situations he’s never dealt with before. Moreover… expectations are now raised. Significantly. And he’s not the one who really put this core/roster together. And as you said… he whiffed on Buch. Big time. And did so in the same game as he whiffed on Eichel, cause that’s what dealing Buch was about. While I understand that moving Buch in a deal separate from dealing for Eichel made sense, if you play that gambit, you have to win with it. And he didn’t. In all reality, if he deals Buch to Buffalo in the package for Eichel, the Sabres probably make the deal. But regardless of the true circumstances, neither deal worked. He attempted 2 deals. He lost one. No matter what Blais does, he won’t be Buch. And he was unable to execute the other. These are facts. He has work to do and will need to be very good to get it done effectively. And yes… every offseason is huge. But some are bigger than others. Next trade deadline will be huge too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 13, 2022 Author Share Posted June 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, RangersIn7 said: Yes… but how effective? Team that’s good long-term effective? Or…. Win a Cup and thinking about more Cups effective? Im not disagreeing with you, BTW. Nor am I being a Doubting Thomas. I have faith in him. I’m simply saying that looking at the roster, he has some big items to deal with and not tons of cap room to do it with. Situations he’s never dealt with before. Moreover… expectations are now raised. Significantly. And he’s not the one who really put this core/roster together. And as you said… he whiffed on Buch. Big time. And did so in the same game as he whiffed on Eichel, cause that’s what dealing Buch was about. While I understand that moving Buch in a deal separate from dealing for Eichel made sense, if you play that gambit, you have to win with it. And he didn’t. In all reality, if he deals Buch to Buffalo in the package for Eichel, the Sabres probably make the deal. But regardless of the true circumstances, neither deal worked. He attempted 2 deals. He lost one. No matter what Blais does, he won’t be Buch. And he was unable to execute the other. These are facts. He has work to do and will need to be very good to get it done effectively. And yes… every offseason is huge. But some are bigger than others. Next trade deadline will be huge too. He didn't whiff on Eichel at all. By all accounts, he was ready to play big boy ball. It was the Pegula's who refused to send him to the Rangers. The bigger off-season, to me, is next summer, when Lafreniere, Chytil, and Miller all need long-term extensions. But I get it. I think he'll be OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Phil said: He didn't whiff on Eichel at all. By all accounts, he was ready to play big boy ball. It was the Pegula's who refused to send him to the Rangers. The bigger off-season, to me, is next summer, when Lafreniere, Chytil, and Miller all need long-term extensions. But I get it. I think he'll be OK. Yeah. But supposedly the Pegula’s only nixed the deal after their GM said he wanted Buch, or others, and couldn’t get him or them. But again, and regardless… we talk about accountability…. He played what he played to deal Buch, bring back separate asset(s), and then deal for Eichel. He failed. I liked the strategy. And his situational awareness. Yes. He recognized that bringing in Eichel would require dealing Buch. He thusly tried to deal Buch separately and recoup more. Great idea. But if you make that deal, you HAVE to have the other deal to a DONE. He didn’t. Edited June 13, 2022 by RangersIn7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 (edited) I didn't want Eichel on the Rangers, and I think the Buch deal would've looked better if Sammy didn't snap the ACL. We used that 2nd rounder to get Copp if I'm not mistaken, which helped get us to the 3rd round, so I'm not gonna cry over the Buch deal.... Besides, Buch was a luxury we couldn't afford at the time. He did well for St. Louis, so it worked out for Buch as well. Good for him! Edited June 13, 2022 by Ozzy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Ozzy said: I didn't want Eichel on the Rangers, and I think the Buch deal would've looked better if Sammy didn't snap the ACL. We used that 2nd rounder to get Copp if I'm not mistaken, which helped get us to the 3rd round, so I'm not gonna cry over the Buch deal.... Besides, Buch was a luxury we couldn't afford at the time. He did well for St. Louis, so it worked out for Buch as well. Good for him! And I felt similarly at the time. I like Blais. A lot. I think some things are actually different if Blais is healthy this season. And I seriously want him here over the next couple of seasons. But Buch got dealt to facilitate Eichel being here. Like it or not. Want it or not. If they aren’t looking at Eichel, Buch is much more likely to have been here this season. And he couldn’t get over the hump. Regardless as to why. He lost. Blais going down was just the icing on a cake long since baked. I like Drury. I think he’s done well. I think he’s a sharp guy with a good head for roster construction and the business. And I think the staff around him is good to very good. I have faith. And I’ll even defend him on the Buch deal. I think the logic and the strategy there was sound. I don’t blame him for playing it the way he did. He just needed to make it happen if that’s what he was going for and he didn’t. And that wasn’t entirely his fault. He ultimately played it in a good way and got hit by the one obstacle that could stop a deal at the last minute. He got cockblocked. What I don’t get is that in a deal of that magnitude, is how he didn’t have assurances from Buffalo that the deal was done. Edited June 13, 2022 by RangersIn7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 53 minutes ago, Blue Heaven said: Nemeth 45 minutes ago, Phil said: Right idea. Wrong player. But I'll give you that, too. Most of his work has been good, though. Especially the entire trade deadline. In my mind, Drury’s biggest task this offseason is in how he can get rid of Nemeth. $2.5M cleared off the books gives much needed cushion to make it a lot easier to make the rest of the moves required. If he can somehow operate effectively without clearing Nemeth, he will have to be an absolute magician. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 28 minutes ago, RangersIn7 said: And I felt similarly at the time. I like Blais. A lot. I think some things are actually different if Blais is healthy this season. And I seriously want him here over the next couple of seasons. But Buch got dealt to facilitate Eichel being here. Like it or not. Want it or not. If they aren’t looking at Eichel, Buch is much more likely to have been here this season. And he couldn’t get over the hump. Regardless as to why. He lost. Blais going down was just the icing on a cake long since baked. I like Drury. I think he’s done well. I think he’s a sharp guy with a good head for roster construction and the business. And I think the staff around him is good to very good. I have faith. I don’t think they were ever seriously involved with getting Eichel. I don’t think they were going to make moves in anticipation of Buffalo trading Eichel here. I think you have to go Occam’s razor on the Buch trade. Drury didn’t want to use the cap on Buch and he also thought Blais would provide a heavy N/S game to help change the lineup. It also opened up ice time and opportunity for Kakko and potentially Kravtsov (before he bolted). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 Another opportunity for Kravtsov. I hope he's used the year to mature, good to hear he's been in contact with the management group throughout the year. We have a bit of a cap crunch. We need high performance on our budget contracts. We're most likely not re-signing most of our top-6 UFAs. He'll have the chance to play with a talented pair whether it's Zibanejad-Kreider, Panarin-X, or Chytil-Laf. This is your chance, kid, and the Rangers are going to need your help. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 13, 2022 Author Share Posted June 13, 2022 9 minutes ago, rmc51 said: In my mind, Drury’s biggest task this offseason is in how he can get rid of Nemeth. $2.5M cleared off the books gives much needed cushion to make it a lot easier to make the rest of the moves required. If he can somehow operate effectively without clearing Nemeth, he will have to be an absolute magician. I don't think that's all that difficult. He's a well-liked veteran on a "good" deal. It's effectively $2.5M AAV with two seasons. The hurdle won't be finding a taker. Arizona, for example, would happily take him. The issue is going to be getting around his trade clause protection. He submits a list of eight teams he won't accept a trade to. My guess is that's all of Canada (as it usually is) + 1. My bet is the remaining team is Arizona, but it's tough to say. No one would have believed the Rangers could have dumped Marc Staal on Detroit until it happened, either. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted June 13, 2022 Author Share Posted June 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, rmc51 said: I don’t think they were ever seriously involved with getting Eichel. I don’t think they were going to make moves in anticipation of Buffalo trading Eichel here. I think you have to go Occam’s razor on the Buch trade. Drury didn’t want to use the cap on Buch and he also thought Blais would provide a heavy N/S game to help change the lineup. It also opened up ice time and opportunity for Kakko and potentially Kravtsov (before he bolted). No, they were. They were inches from sending Strome to Vegas to make it work, too. Buch cleared the initial cap. Strome would have cleared the log jam (plus more cap) to make it more comfortable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted June 13, 2022 Share Posted June 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, Phil said: No, they were. They were inches from sending Strome to Vegas to make it work, too. Buch cleared the initial cap. Strome would have cleared the log jam (plus more cap) to make it more comfortable. I never saw any of this. Who reported that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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