Brooks Kravtsov to Train in Russia This Summer; Expected to Arrive Early for Rangers' Training Camp

[Phil]

 

Better off starting fresh. Just like it appears the Rangers and Kravtsov will.

[Scott]

[BrooksBurner]

I smell this as being fake posturing for trade value purposes. Don’t buy it at all. He just got done with high intensity playoff hockey over there and can play now, yet not bringing him over. There’s a trade incoming over the summer most likely

[Pete]

4 minutes ago, rmc51 said:

I smell this as being fake posturing for trade value purposes. Don’t buy it at all. He just got done with high intensity playoff hockey over there and can play now, yet not bringing him over. There’s a trade incoming over the summer most likely

It's almost like management has decided that this is the best thing for the team, not to add any disruptions or distractions for the stretch run...

[BrooksBurner]

7 minutes ago, Pete said:

It's almost like management has decided that this is the best thing for the team, not to add any disruptions or distractions for the stretch run...

 

Yes, if you want to believe what this tells you at face value. I’d be shocked if he’s NYR property by traning camp in September.

[Phil]

13 minutes ago, rmc51 said:

I smell this as being fake posturing for trade value purposes. Don’t buy it at all. He just got done with high intensity playoff hockey over there and can play now, yet not bringing him over. There’s a trade incoming over the summer most likely

 

Even if this the case, this would likely improve the value of a trade by signaling to other GMs that his rap as a quitter is in the past.

[Pete]

3 minutes ago, rmc51 said:

 

Yes, if you want to believe what this tells you at face value. I’d be shocked if he’s NYR property by traning camp in September.

He won't be. And even if he came back right now and played on the team, there's probably just as much likelihood that he wouldn't be on the team next year anyway. RFA PitA. 

 

Fact is he's eligible and not coming back very much feels like a team decision. 

Edited April 13, 2022 by Pete

[The Dude]

1 hour ago, rmc51 said:

I smell this as being fake posturing for trade value purposes. Don’t buy it at all. He just got done with high intensity playoff hockey over there and can play now, yet not bringing him over. There’s a trade incoming over the summer most likely

Yeah probably.  Gotta make it look like water under the bridge and all has been forgiven, but they're likely shopping the shit out of him to other teams to try and squeeze some value out of their fuck up. Yes. The Rangers fuck up. 

[RangersIn7]

At this point I’ll view it as a tactic. But it’s the correct tactic for both parties. Can’t bring him in for playoffs given the history and as he hasn’t been around team at all in 6 months. Drury makes it look like they made nice, Kravtsov makes it look like he’s grown up some. 
 

And now we wait and see. 

[RangersIn7]

52 minutes ago, The Dude said:

Yeah probably.  Gotta make it look like water under the bridge and all has been forgiven, but they're likely shopping the shit out of him to other teams to try and squeeze some value out of their fuck up. Yes. The Rangers fuck up. 

Both parties have their hand in this in my opinion.

Kravtsov wasn’t a pro when he refused the assignment… and assignment he got in large part due to having not so great a preseason and an abbreviated one at that due to an injury. They wanted him to go down in part due to that so he could actually play and play big minutes and do so in an offensive role, which is what he’s suited for. This guy doesn’t belong in your bottom-6 playing 8-12 minutes a night.

 

But…. I believe he also got sent down so Hajek could stay on the roster and not have to pass through waivers.

 

Correct me if I’m wrong on that?

[The Dude]

51 minutes ago, RangersIn7 said:

Both parties have their hand in this in my opinion.

Kravtsov wasn’t a pro when he refused the assignment… and assignment he got in large part due to having not so great a preseason and an abbreviated one at that due to an injury. They wanted him to go down in part due to that so he could actually play and play big minutes and do so in an offensive role, which is what he’s suited for. This guy doesn’t belong in your bottom-6 playing 8-12 minutes a night.

 

But…. I believe he also got sent down so Hajek could stay on the roster and not have to pass through waivers.

 

Correct me if I’m wrong on that?

I think you're wrong about not having a good preseason.  He was playing pretty good in that last game. Even scored a pretty nice goal. Was one of the better players in a preseason game that likely was against a full-ish NHL lineup,  sonce itbwas one of the last games of preseason.

 

Let's not forget that Gallant had said it wasn't his decision on the day the team announced it.  Later to echo management/Drurys take on the decision, as to play united and in sync with his new higher ups. 

 

Choosing both Tinordi and Hajek (and Gauthier AND Hunt) over Kravtsov just never made any sense to me. Waivers or not. These players didn't and still don't hold any weight in this organization. A case for waiving 2 or 3 of these players could have been made without a thought. They still could right now.

 

Kravstov could easily have slid in to a top 6 roll, pushing Blais to where he belonged in the bottom 6.  Thank god Drury stole Vatrano, to fill that void of having any semblance of talent to plug into the too 6. Kravtsov could have possibly been that player from day 1. 

[siddious]

I’m surprised. Still think he gets traded.

[RangersIn7]

10 minutes ago, The Dude said:

I think you're wrong about not having a good preseason.  He was playing pretty good in that last game. Even scored a pretty nice goal. Was one of the better players in a preseason game that likely was against a full-ish NHL lineup,  sonce itbwas one of the last games of preseason.

 

Let's not forget that Gallant had said it wasn't his decision on the day the team announced it.  Later to echo management/Drurys take on the decision, as to play united and in sync with his new higher ups. 

 

Choosing both Tinordi and Hajek (and Gauthier AND Hunt) over Kravtsov just never made any sense to me. Waivers or not. These players didn't and still don't hold any weight in this organization. A case for waiving 2 or 3 of these players could have been made without a thought. They still could right now.

 

Kravstov could easily have slid in to a top 6 roll, pushing Blais to where he belonged in the bottom 6.  Thank god Drury stole Vatrano, to fill that void of having any semblance of talent to plug into the too 6. Kravtsov could have possibly been that player from day 1. 

The quality of his preseason is somewhat a matter of opinion I suppose. But clearly he didn’t do quite enough to force them to keep him. 
I think though it’s as I said… Drury looked and saw waivers for D men and didn’t know what he’d get out of kids like Nils or Schneider so he felt it more prudent to keep Hajek and Tinordi around. Plus, they saw Kravtsov as needing top-6 kind of minutes and only saw him getting those minutes in Hartford. 
 

I don’t have an issue with the assignment to Hartford to get the kid minutes. Get him playing, call him up when you need him, which would have happened quickly. 
 

I do take some issue with it though if it came due to guys like Hajek or Tinordi

[The Dude]

1 hour ago, RangersIn7 said:

The quality of his preseason is somewhat a matter of opinion I suppose. But clearly he didn’t do quite enough to force them to keep him. 
I think though it’s as I said… Drury looked and saw waivers for D men and didn’t know what he’d get out of kids like Nils or Schneider so he felt it more prudent to keep Hajek and Tinordi around. Plus, they saw Kravtsov as needing top-6 kind of minutes and only saw him getting those minutes in Hartford. 
 

I don’t have an issue with the assignment to Hartford to get the kid minutes. Get him playing, call him up when you need him, which would have happened quickly. 
 

I do take some issue with it though if it came due to guys like Hajek or Tinordi

But... he had an in for top six minutes as Kakko was his only actual competition. Definitely had a cut out spot for him. Blais isn't a top 6 forward. Not when Kravstov and Kakko are on the roster. 

 

Thanks for reminding me.  Lundkvist shouldn't have made the roster either. Talk about a lack luster pre season.  Just one more roster spot taken up by an undeserving player. 

[ThirtyONE]

Vince has been saying that their relationship has been somewhat mended for a while now. I'm not surprised. I also wouldn't be surprised if he's traded at the draft or some time this summer.

[RangersIn7]

1 hour ago, The Dude said:

But... he had an in for top six minutes as Kakko was his only actual competition. Definitely had a cut out spot for him. Blais isn't a top 6 forward. Not when Kravstov and Kakko are on the roster. 

 

Thanks for reminding me.  Lundkvist shouldn't have made the roster either. Talk about a lack luster pre season.  Just one more roster spot taken up by an undeserving player. 

Yeah.

He did. But the guy who has final say on the roster wanted to go another way. That happens. Part of sports. 
Was it a mistake on Drury’s behalf, given who he kept here instead? Yes.

Was it a mistake on Kravtsov’s behalf to refuse assignment? Yes. 
 

Lundkvist made the roster cause he came into the season as their 3rd RH D and was regarded as either the best or 2nd best D prospect in all of hockey. 
Kravtsov wasn’t carrying that kind of weight.

[Pete]

3 hours ago, RangersIn7 said:

The quality of his preseason is somewhat a matter of opinion I suppose.

No, it's not. He played 1.5 games. He had no preseason. He was told to get his conditioning up in Hartford...if he did that, he'd have been called up 3 weeks later when Blais (playing on 2nd or 3rd line) got hurt. He didn't outplay anyone.

[The Dude]

47 minutes ago, RangersIn7 said:

Lundkvist made the roster cause he came into the season as their 3rd RH D and was regarded as either the best or 2nd best D prospect in all of hockey. 
Kravtsov wasn’t carrying that kind of weight.

Lundkvist was outplayed by Schneider and Joned in pre season  Maybe even Reunenen. 

 

Seems the Rangers let people walk on the roster due to prospect rankings or draft status, rather than who looks better on the ice and produces in pre-season. Nevermind, their waiver eligibility... Which is pretty much my point.

 

Kravstov looked better than Gauthier, Kakko and Hunt in his 2 games played in pre season. Wayyyy better. Just like Schneider and Jones outplayed Lundkvist,  Hajek and Tinordi. 

 

Numbers game, draft status and Tom Wilson shaped this roster, along with some rah rah bullshit point Drury wanted to make out of Kravtsov, held over from the season prior. 

[RangersIn7]

9 hours ago, Pete said:

No, it's not. He played 1.5 games. He had no preseason. He was told to get his conditioning up in Hartford...if he did that, he'd have been called up 3 weeks later when Blais (playing on 2nd or 3rd line) got hurt. He didn't outplay anyone.

I’m just saying that to show that anyone can feel however they like about how he played.

 

And then he did actually come back and play the postseason finale I believe and had a goal in that game. 
 

Look, it ultimately doesn’t matter. Drury picks the roster. Wanted to go another way.

I think I’ve made it clear that him having an injury in preseason and the team wanting him in Hartford to actually get the kind of minutes he needs were the biggest factors. 

[LindG1000]

8 hours ago, The Dude said:

Lundkvist was outplayed by Schneider and Joned in pre season  Maybe even Reunenen. 

 

Seems the Rangers let people walk on the roster due to prospect rankings or draft status, rather than who looks better on the ice and produces in pre-season. Nevermind, their waiver eligibility... Which is pretty much my point.

 

Kravstov looked better than Gauthier, Kakko and Hunt in his 2 games played in pre season. Wayyyy better. Just like Schneider and Jones outplayed Lundkvist,  Hajek and Tinordi. 

 

Numbers game, draft status and Tom Wilson shaped this roster, along with some rah rah bullshit point Drury wanted to make out of Kravtsov, held over from the season prior. 

 

Sure, but scoreboard:

 

[Pete]

12 minutes ago, RangersIn7 said:

I’m just saying that to show that anyone can feel however they like about how he played.

 

And then he did actually come back and play the postseason finale I believe and had a goal in that game. 
 

Look, it ultimately doesn’t matter. Drury picks the roster. Wanted to go another way.

I think I’ve made it clear that him having an injury in preseason and the team wanting him in Hartford to actually get the kind of minutes he needs were the biggest factors. 

I get that, you were trying to make a concession, but none is required. He played like five periods of preseason hockey. I don't understand why anybody would think that's enough to prove anything, even if he did score a whopping one goal. 

[The Dude]

1 hour ago, G1000 said:

 

Sure, but scoreboard:

 

But the discussion...  so..