Zegras Does it Again, Jay Beagle Snuffs Troy Terry, Controversy Ensues

[Scott]

ahhhh, if only.

 

When between the legs doesn't work just go lax

 

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[josh]

Team needs Jay Beagle energy more. 

[BlairBettsBlocksEverything]

Troy terry got his ass beat trying to stick up for Zegras. Tough look

 

i like the skill stuff and think Zegras is elite and makes for a fun marketable player. And I don’t think Jay Beagles of the league should ruin that 

 

with that said, it’s a tough game. Go to the net, get hit. Terry wants to be the hero? Well he got speedbagged for it. 

[Scott]

4 hours ago, BlairBettsBlocksEverything said:

Troy terry got his ass beat trying to stick up for Zegras. Tough look

 

i like the skill stuff and think Zegras is elite and makes for a fun marketable player. And I don’t think Jay Beagles of the league should ruin that 

 

with that said, it’s a tough game. Go to the net, get hit. Terry wants to be the hero? Well he got speedbagged for it. 

Yeah by Jay Beagle noted tough guy who had one fight in the last decade of regular season games.   Maybe suck less as a team and you wouldn't be embarrassed as often?  Unfortunate  Deslauriers wasn't still on the Ducks floating around I'm sure Beagle sack would of remained tucked between his thighs. But kudos for him for punching the crap outta Terry in this case, I guess.  "skill it up and get punched in the mouth", got it. 

 

 

[BlairBettsBlocksEverything]

3 hours ago, jsrangers said:

Yeah by Jay Beagle noted tough guy who had one fight in the last decade of regular season games.   Maybe suck less as a team and you wouldn't be embarrassed as often?  Unfortunate  Deslauriers wasn't still on the Ducks floating around I'm sure Beagle sack would of remained tucked between his thighs. But kudos for him for punching the crap outta Terry in this case, I guess.  "skill it up and get punched in the mouth", got it. 

 

 

I mean I think this fight had more to do with Zegras banging at the goalie when it’s 5-0 late in the third. Which is totally his right. It’s hockey. But you’re also gonna get hit when you do it. I don’t think he got cross checked THAT hard there. He went down harder than he should and when his teammate stuck up for him he regretted it. 

[josh]

Zegras will remember the next time he sticks a goalie
If not, another “goon” like Beagle will destroy his teammate again. 

[Phil]

Updated the OP to include the original goal and the "controversial" call from the Coyotes broadcast covering the ensuing Beagle brawl.

[Scott]

4 hours ago, josh said:

Zegras will remember the next time he sticks a goalie
If not, another “goon” like Beagle will destroy his teammate again. 

Seriously that was some sticking he gave the goalie? If he even felt it at all. 

 

The tv call I thought was the joke here on many levels.  I mean calm down Torts about players "skilling it up" and your team being embarrassed by it.  F*cking play better maybe as soon as next year. You want to talk about being embarrassed your team is playing in a college rink after this season.  

 

All my money is on Zegras not changing a thing about the way he plays the game nor would anyone in that org want him to do so. In fact I could only dream one of our guys was capable of "skilling it up like that" and not around the donut counter. or along the boards (are we still hanging onto that being what Kakko's strength is?)

[Dunny]

It really doesnt bother me, but, it's not a particularly skilled play, it's a party trick. Either way, it's a good goal, and legal, so no issue.

 

I watched a full PJHL warmup last week, it's the FOURTH level of JUNIOR hockey in Ontario. I counted six players, at my end, that did it casually, without even thinking, during the warm up. 

 

What's interesting to me is a few things

 

A) I played in this league 20 years ago and the skill level of what it is now isn't even in the same galaxy as what it was, then. This seems consistent with what we see in the NHL. That's a good thing, I think.

 

B) You don't need balls to play hockey, anymore. This has been a conscious effort to get the game to where it is, and it's prevalent at all levels. There is no real contact. There is no toughness. There is no fighting. Courage not required. This is a bad thing, I think.

 

How are the two reconciled, or with the advent of the Reddit hockey fan, is there even an appetite to do so?

[josh]

14 minutes ago, Dunny said:

It really doesnt bother me, but, it's not a particularly skilled play, it's a party trick. Either way, it's a good goal, and legal, so no issue.

 

I watched a full PJHL warmup last week, it's the FOURTH level of JUNIOR hockey in Ontario. I counted six players, at my end, that did it casually, without even thinking, during the warm up. 

 

What's interesting to me is a few things

 

A) I played in this league 20 years ago and the skill level of what it is now isn't even in the same galaxy as what it was, then. This seems consistent with what we see in the NHL. That's a good thing, I think.

 

B) You don't need balls to play hockey, anymore. This has been a conscious effort to get the game to where it is, and it's prevalent at all levels. There is no real contact. There is no toughness. There is no fighting. Courage not required. This is a bad thing, I think.

 

How are the two reconciled, or with the advent of the Reddit hockey fan, is there even an appetite to do so?

Reddit fans would vote for charts a pie graphs. Skip the game hug each other. 

[Pete]

36 minutes ago, Dunny said:

It really doesnt bother me, but, it's not a particularly skilled play, it's a party trick. Either way, it's a good goal, and legal, so no issue.

 

I watched a full PJHL warmup last week, it's the FOURTH level of JUNIOR hockey in Ontario. I counted six players, at my end, that did it casually, without even thinking, during the warm up. 

 

What's interesting to me is a few things

 

A) I played in this league 20 years ago and the skill level of what it is now isn't even in the same galaxy as what it was, then. This seems consistent with what we see in the NHL. That's a good thing, I think.

 

B) You don't need balls to play hockey, anymore. This has been a conscious effort to get the game to where it is, and it's prevalent at all levels. There is no real contact. There is no toughness. There is no fighting. Courage not required. This is a bad thing, I think.

 

How are the two reconciled, or with the advent of the Reddit hockey fan, is there even an appetite to do so?

Part of the puzzle is that to cut down on making the product's brains pudding, you can't let them slam into each other at 30mph anymore.

[The Dude]

9 hours ago, jsrangers said:

Seriously that was some sticking he gave the goalie? If he even felt it at all. 

 

The tv call I thought was the joke here on many levels.  I mean calm down Torts about players "skilling it up" and your team being embarrassed by it.  F*cking play better maybe as soon as next year. You want to talk about being embarrassed your team is playing in a college rink after this season.  

 

All my money is on Zegras not changing a thing about the way he plays the game nor would anyone in that org want him to do so. In fact I could only dream one of our guys was capable of "skilling it up like that" and not around the donut counter. or along the boards (are we still hanging onto that being what Kakko's strength is?)

The call was ridiculous and I don't think accurate as to the reason that unfolded.

 

Up 5-0 and poking at the goalie in an effort to pad some stats was more likely what set that off. Games pretty much over. Stop being greedy and trying to embarrass the team you are already dominating. 

 

It's like celebrating a goal with a giant fist pump, in a 5-0 game. It's disrespectful. 

 

I have no problem with what Beagle did. The call on the play was pretty stupid though. Skill it up?  While my opinion on that Michigan goal (especially the one scored in the game) is that its cool to see in practice, but it's essentially cheap and maybe illegal in that it's like traveling in basketball. Puck is off the ice for a few seconds in a cradle like fashion, it's somewhat equal to holding the puck on your arm or in your hand.

 

The rules have made your stick and extension of your body. You can't slash a stick or knock it out of a player's hand. So, why can you carry the puck on your stick from one side of the net to the other? If the stick is a part of you. That's the kinda the same as holding the puck in your hand and throwing it in the net. 

 

Want that goal to be good/legit? Slashing on a stick shaft or knocking the stick out of a player's hands should be legal then. 

 

"Won't be seeing dat goal no more."

[AliveIn94]

3 hours ago, Dunny said:

It really doesnt bother me, but, it's not a particularly skilled play, it's a party trick. Either way, it's a good goal, and legal, so no issue.

 

I watched a full PJHL warmup last week, it's the FOURTH level of JUNIOR hockey in Ontario. I counted six players, at my end, that did it casually, without even thinking, during the warm up. 

 

What's interesting to me is a few things

 

A) I played in this league 20 years ago and the skill level of what it is now isn't even in the same galaxy as what it was, then. This seems consistent with what we see in the NHL. That's a good thing, I think.

 

B) You don't need balls to play hockey, anymore. This has been a conscious effort to get the game to where it is, and it's prevalent at all levels. There is no real contact. There is no toughness. There is no fighting. Courage not required. This is a bad thing, I think.

 

How are the two reconciled, or with the advent of the Reddit hockey fan, is there even an appetite to do so?

The problem to me was Beagle cross-checked him from behind, that's a cheap shot in any era. Beagle also has  a couple of inches and 15-20 ibs on these guys, it was closer to Wilson-Panarin than an equal matchup.

 

Reddit fans have their pearl-clutching moments, but I can't disagree too much with the complaints. Beagle could have challenged them directly or lined up a clean or "clean" hit to get the point across. To show up after the fact and beat up Steel was sore loser stuff, even if Zegras was a sore winner.

 

If they're "professionals", is it professional to stop playing to win and not improve your game because somebody may get butthurt? Is it professional to get mad that someone had your number that night and attack them from behind? How many times has this happened in other sports without the "offensive" commentary of complaining that the other team is embarrassed?

 

Steel  stepped up for his guy, he got rocked. That doesn't excuse Beagle from beating a smaller guy when he's down because he's butthurt.

 

I guess it depends on which type of "professionalism" you subscribe to, and there's definitely a generational divide there.

[Pete]

6 minutes ago, AliveIn94 said:

The problem to me was Beagle cross-checked him from behind, that's a cheap shot in any era. Beagle also has  a couple of inches and 15-20 ibs on these guys, it was closer to Wilson-Panarin than an equal matchup.

 

Reddit fans have their pearl-clutching moments, but I can't disagree too much with the complaints. Beagle could have challenged them directly or lined up a clean or "clean" hit to get the point across. To show up after the fact and beat up Steel was sore loser stuff, even if Zegras was a sore winner.

 

If they're "professionals", is it professional to stop playing to win and not improve your game because somebody may get butthurt? Is it professional to get mad that someone had your number that night and attack them from behind? How many times has this happened in other sports without the "offensive" commentary of complaining that the other team is embarrassed?

 

Steel  stepped up for his guy, he got rocked. That doesn't excuse Beagle from beating a smaller guy when he's down because he's butthurt.

 

I guess it depends on which type of "professionalism" you subscribe to, and there's definitely a generational divide there.

Couple of issues here.

 

You poke at the goalie in a 5-0 game and you're going to get a a cross check. Fowler already was engaged with Beagle when Terry flew in and if you're going to engage then prepare for the outcome. 

 

Likewise with the showmanship. Athletes are proud and they all know what it means to show up an opponent, and if you are going to play that way, then people are going to get upset and you need to be prepared to deal with it.

 

It's really no different than any other behavior that goes around on the ice that people don't like, it doesn't matter if it's skill or agitation. If you get under someone's skin you need to prepare for the response. 

 

You know what's professional? Sportsmanship. I have to think that some people commenting on this have never played a competitive team sport at any level, let alone hockey. You don't poke a goalie when it's 5-0 in fucking beer league. 

[josh]

55 minutes ago, AliveIn94 said:

The problem to me was Beagle cross-checked him from behind, that's a cheap shot in any era. Beagle also has  a couple of inches and 15-20 ibs on these guys, it was closer to Wilson-Panarin than an equal matchup.

 

Reddit fans have their pearl-clutching moments, but I can't disagree too much with the complaints. Beagle could have challenged them directly or lined up a clean or "clean" hit to get the point across. To show up after the fact and beat up Steel was sore loser stuff, even if Zegras was a sore winner.

 

If they're "professionals", is it professional to stop playing to win and not improve your game because somebody may get butthurt? Is it professional to get mad that someone had your number that night and attack them from behind? How many times has this happened in other sports without the "offensive" commentary of complaining that the other team is embarrassed?

 

Steel  stepped up for his guy, he got rocked. That doesn't excuse Beagle from beating a smaller guy when he's down because he's butthurt.

 

I guess it depends on which type of "professionalism" you subscribe to, and there's definitely a generational divide there.

That was a nothing cross check. That’d be laughed at in the 80s. 
 

beagle isn’t a fighter. That’s not comparable to Wilson. It’s the equivalent of Rooney fighting Anders Lee after Jackyboy hits Shesterkin with 5 minutes left in a blow out game 

[josh]

The biggest issue is the Nash comment, and people immediately bolted for the extreme and rigid opposite polls of yes/no, right/wrong, black/white 

[The Dude]

1 hour ago, AliveIn94 said:

The problem to me was Beagle cross-checked him from behind, that's a cheap shot in any era. Beagle also has  a couple of inches and 15-20 ibs on these guys, it was closer to Wilson-Panarin than an equal matchup.

 

Reddit fans have their pearl-clutching moments, but I can't disagree too much with the complaints. Beagle could have challenged them directly or lined up a clean or "clean" hit to get the point across. To show up after the fact and beat up Steel was sore loser stuff, even if Zegras was a sore winner.

 

If they're "professionals", is it professional to stop playing to win and not improve your game because somebody may get butthurt? Is it professional to get mad that someone had your number that night and attack them from behind? How many times has this happened in other sports without the "offensive" commentary of complaining that the other team is embarrassed?

 

Steel  stepped up for his guy, he got rocked. That doesn't excuse Beagle from beating a smaller guy when he's down because he's butthurt.

 

I guess it depends on which type of "professionalism" you subscribe to, and there's definitely a generational divide there.

I'm missing the angle where Beagle hits him while he's down. 

 

Otherwise,  it's bad sportsmanship by Anaheim. When it's a blow out, you don't poke at the goalie. No generational gap there. 

 

 

[Scott]

The comment about people taking a certain side here never played competitive sports is comical in itself.  MLB guys hitting baseballs over scoreboards should stop skilling it up, Seth Curry hitting 3's from a couple feet inside half court or guys posterizing others with monster dunks should be more considerate of the other guys feelings and should do the same, just stop it it's embarrassing.  Pitchers throwing 102-3 giving hitters no chance the same.  The games evolve whether we like it or not. Sports especially at the pro level are exactly about skilling it up.

 

I watched the video over several times that poke at the puck was weak at best, that Michigan goal was in the middle of the first period. Crash the goalie, totally different story.  Beating the skill out of the game because you're embarrassed too little too late.  The game has changed greatly and trying to turn back the clock isn't where this is going to land I would bet on it.

 

Josh I hear what you're saying but not sure how you can misinterpret even a word of what Nash was saying their. I don't think there was anything that needed review coming out of his mouth, he went full Torts about "skilling it up and how wrong it was because it embarrassed his team"  Now it were only 40 years ago in the 80's  the poke, crosscheck and fight would have been laughed at.

Edited April 3, 2022 by jsrangers

[Pete]

1 hour ago, jsrangers said:

The comment about people taking a certain side here never played competitive sports is comical in itself.  MLB guys hitting baseballs over scoreboards should stop skilling it up, Seth Curry hitting 3's from a couple feet inside half court or guys posterizing others with monster dunks should be more considerate of the other guys feelings and should do the same, just stop it it's embarrassing.  Pitchers throwing 102-3 giving hitters no chance the same.  The games evolve whether we like it or not. Sports especially at the pro level are exactly about skilling it up.

 

I watched the video over several times that poke at the puck was weak at best, that Michigan goal was in the middle of the first period. Crash the goalie, totally different story.  Beating the skill out of the game because you're embarrassed too little too late.  The game has changed greatly and trying to turn back the clock isn't where this is going to land I would bet on it.

 

Josh I hear what you're saying but not sure how you can misinterpret even a word of what Nash was saying their. I don't think there was anything that needed review coming out of his mouth, he went full Torts about "skilling it up and how wrong it was because it embarrassed his team"  Now it were only 40 years ago in the 80's  the poke, crosscheck and fight would have been laughed at.

Who cares what the commentators said? They aren't in Beagle's head. 

 

Did Zegras get popped for the Michigan or for the poke? Maybe the poke was weak in your opinion but maybe Beagle took exception that the showboat ALSO poked his goalie.

 

And yea sorry but if someone can't relate to this entire situation being frustrating for Beagle, and Zegras gave him a reason, then I have to question if they've ever experienced competition in sports at any level. 

[Scott]

Who said he couldn't be frustrated? He will continue to be frustrated for however long he plays as the game passes him by with players skilling it up, that poke at the goalie was half hearted at best.  So sports at any level, the expectation is the same response for those who have played competitive sports at every level now is it?  HS kids, college kids they should all respond the way Beagle did?  The should all think like Tyson Nash or their soft I suppose, right?

[The Dude]

2 hours ago, jsrangers said:

The comment about people taking a certain side here never played competitive sports is comical in itself.  MLB guys hitting baseballs over scoreboards should stop skilling it up, Seth Curry hitting 3's from a couple feet inside half court or guys posterizing others with monster dunks should be more considerate of the other guys feelings and should do the same, just stop it it's embarrassing.  Pitchers throwing 102-3 giving hitters no chance the same.  The games evolve whether we like it or not. Sports especially at the pro level are exactly about skilling it up.

 

I watched the video over several times that poke at the puck was weak at best, that Michigan goal was in the middle of the first period. Crash the goalie, totally different story.  Beating the skill out of the game because you're embarrassed too little too late.  The game has changed greatly and trying to turn back the clock isn't where this is going to land I would bet on it.

 

Josh I hear what you're saying but not sure how you can misinterpret even a word of what Nash was saying their. I don't think there was anything that needed review coming out of his mouth, he went full Torts about "skilling it up and how wrong it was because it embarrassed his team"  Now it were only 40 years ago in the 80's  the poke, crosscheck and fight would have been laughed at.

Again.  The commentary was just dumb. And again, I don't think Beagle beat up a random guy because of the Michigan goal. It was the poke at the goalie. The guy he beat up jumped in on a scuffle and got dealt with accordingly. 

 

Meanwhile your standing on the fence with your perception that it was actually about the "Skill it up" comment and react in saying the Yotes can't be pissed about being bad and not improving their game and shouldn't expect respect in a blow out. Yet, the problem people have with the whole thing is that Beagle beat up a guy that doesn't fight, yet the guy he beat up started/reacted to the altercation...

 

So Beagle should stop fighting a guy who went at him, but the Yotes shouldn't expect enough respect to not poke at the goalie in a 5- 0 blowout? 

 

 

 

 

[Valriera]

6 hours ago, Pete said:

Couple of issues here.

 

You poke at the goalie in a 5-0 game and you're going to get a a cross check. Fowler already was engaged with Beagle when Terry flew in and if you're going to engage then prepare for the outcome. 

 

Likewise with the showmanship. Athletes are proud and they all know what it means to show up an opponent, and if you are going to play that way, then people are going to get upset and you need to be prepared to deal with it.

 

It's really no different than any other behavior that goes around on the ice that people don't like, it doesn't matter if it's skill or agitation. If you get under someone's skin you need to prepare for the response. 

 

You know what's professional? Sportsmanship. I have to think that some people commenting on this have never played a competitive team sport at any level, let alone hockey. You don't poke a goalie when it's 5-0 in fucking beer league. 

you don’t poke a goalie when it’s 5-0 in beer league. That’s the thread folks. Nothing controversial about this one, maybe they will skip goalie poking when the game is over next time

[Pete]

1 hour ago, jsrangers said:

Who said he couldn't be frustrated? He will continue to be frustrated for however long he plays as the game passes him by with players skilling it up, that poke at the goalie was half hearted at best.  So sports at any level, the expectation is the same response for those who have played competitive sports at every level now is it?  HS kids, college kids they should all respond the way Beagle did?  The should all think like Tyson Nash or their soft I suppose, right?

Every player has a choice to respond or not respond, I don't really care if a player doesn't respond, but I'm also not going to vilify a player who does respond.

[Pete]

18 minutes ago, Valriera said:

you don’t poke a goalie when it’s 5-0 in beer league. That’s the thread folks. Nothing controversial about this one, maybe they will skip goalie poking when the game is over next time

What does this even mean?

 

There is nothing controversial about this other than the commentary from Nash. Goalie got poked in a 5 nothing game, poker got cross checked, idiot teammate tried to be third man in and got his ass handed to him. Do you think this is the first time in the history of the sport that that has ever happened?

[Valriera]

5 minutes ago, Pete said:

What does this even mean?

 

There is nothing controversial about this other than the commentary from Nash. Goalie got poked in a 5 nothing game, poker got cross checked, idiot teammate tried to be third man in and got his ass handed to him. Do you think this is the first time in the history of the sport that that has ever happened?

It means I agree with you lol