Scott Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Phil said: Redmond, or Kane? Trick question because there's only here's only one answer here and it's not Kane. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 9, 2022 Author Share Posted March 9, 2022 8 minutes ago, Drew a Penalty said: I'd definitely have interest, but I don't see how it would at all be possible until next year's deadline. Any move now, even Kane at 50%, precludes the Rangers from retaining Strome or signing/acquiring any equivalent center. Panarin and Kane worked with Anisimov in the middle, but Chytil is a way shittier Anisimov. Double retention. Kane at $2.625M x 2 is no problem. The cost to get him to that number might be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 35 minutes ago, Ozzy said: This just in: Jackie Redmond is HOT! She's like that Seinfeld episode, really hot or... well, I'll still deal with it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodka Drunkenski Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 38 minutes ago, Ozzy said: This just in: Jackie Redmond is HOT! You’ve just realized this? Put the bottle down 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieNextel305 Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, Phil said: Double retention. Kane at $2.625M x 2 is no problem. The cost to get him to that number might be. Kane is UFA after next season correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew a Penalty Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 5 minutes ago, Phil said: Double retention. Kane at $2.625M x 2 is no problem. The cost to get him to that number might be. I don't even want to know what it would cost just to facilitate that. Plus that's really getting into uncharted territory. I don't think we've ever seen a deal with immediate double retention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlairBettsBlocksEverything Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 (edited) AZ retains half in exchange for our 2023 1st and Brodzinski and Hajek (because they just need players under contract, Johnny B signed for 2 more years, Hajek is an RFA) Chicago gets: 2022 1st rounder, Chytil, Kravstov NYR Gets: Kane I just have a hard time seeing how this ends up working. We would still likely have to let Strome walk in the offseason and Chytil is our only hope of replacing him internally right? edit: didn't realize double retention could be a thing. Edited March 9, 2022 by BlairBettsBlocksEverything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 5 minutes ago, Sod16 said: Um, er, is there something called the cap in this league? What's $10.8 million for the next two years anyway? Oh sure, Hawks will retain half (not). Still can't fit him in. And not a center. I've devised a work around.. It's called the "Tampa Variant". The Rangers will place both the contracts for Panarin, and Trouba on LTIR. The nuance of my plan is that unlike Tampa's usage, the injury is to the players cap hit rather than their person. Both players cap hit will be placed on LTIR with upper, and lower body injuries (respectively) and will miss the remainder of the regular season. The great news is both Bread and Trouba can play while their AAV's convalesce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 I can guarantee you there is no bigger Kane stan than me on the forum. He's not what they need. They need a guy who's going to drag his team into the fight, go to the tough areas to score. Kane is but at his age and where his goal scoring numbers are...He's not what they need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlairBettsBlocksEverything Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 6 minutes ago, Pete said: I can guarantee you there is no bigger Kane stan than me on the forum. He's not what they need. They need a guy who's going to drag his team into the fight, go to the tough areas to score. Kane is but at his age and where his goal scoring numbers are...He's not what they need. Kane and Panarin on a line together again though, could be lethal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, BlairBettsBlocksEverything said: Kane and Panarin on a line together again though, could be lethal. No doubt, but how's it fix the bottom 6, BUG and 3rd pair? If Kane doesn't move the needle 5v5 (have to check the numbers), then we're just getting better at what we're already good at. Like, we can't score. If he gives us quick strike, one shot and you're back in the game, then sure. If he doesn't do that then it's not worth the gymnastics. Edited March 9, 2022 by Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlairBettsBlocksEverything Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 plenty of cap room to adjust those other spots. With that said, like I noted in my other post, I think any trade for Kane involves Chytil going, and also means Strome is likely un-signable at that point, meaning we don't have any centers and no cap room to bring more in. So IDK. Just a fun thought experiment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 Mr. Drury...please pick up line 3....it's for you! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew a Penalty Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 24 minutes ago, BlairBettsBlocksEverything said: plenty of cap room to adjust those other spots. No. There’s plenty of cap room this season. Next season that all goes out the window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlairBettsBlocksEverything Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 7 minutes ago, Drew a Penalty said: No. There’s plenty of cap room this season. Next season that all goes out the window. so you get guys that are gonna be free agents? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Phil said: Double retention. Kane at $2.625M x 2 is no problem. The cost to get him to that number might be. That’s basically Kakko’s next bridge deal, assuming he doesn’t get offersheeted. Leads to an interesting question…do you consider Kakko in the deal to make it work? Cap budget unchanged. Offersheet risk eliminated. One or more of those prospects in the boatload of prospects and picks headed out to Chicago in lieu of Kakko might even turn out better than Kakko. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Drew a Penalty said: I don't even want to know what it would cost just to facilitate that. Plus that's really getting into uncharted territory. I don't think we've ever seen a deal with immediate double retention. I think the David Savard trade to the Lightning last year had double retention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 56 minutes ago, Pete said: No doubt, but how's it fix the bottom 6, BUG and 3rd pair? If Kane doesn't move the needle 5v5 (have to check the numbers), then we're just getting better at what we're already good at. Like, we can't score. If he gives us quick strike, one shot and you're back in the game, then sure. If he doesn't do that then it's not worth the gymnastics. It pushes whoever our current 2RW is/would be down to the bottom 6, thereby improving it. Kakko on the 3rd is better than Gauthier. Hunt on the 4th is better than McKegg. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew a Penalty Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 30 minutes ago, rmc51 said: I think the David Savard trade to the Lightning last year had double retention. Looks like you’re right. That was on an expiring deal, though. Might be harder to facilitate for two years, but the Coyotes seem to be willing to do anything for picks so maybe they’d be interested in helping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew a Penalty Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 49 minutes ago, BlairBettsBlocksEverything said: so you get guys that are gonna be free agents? Pretty much. Or players who have a manageable hit for two years. Like sub $3M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 1 hour ago, BlairBettsBlocksEverything said: plenty of cap room to adjust those other spots. With that said, like I noted in my other post, I think any trade for Kane involves Chytil going, and also means Strome is likely un-signable at that point, meaning we don't have any centers and no cap room to bring more in. So IDK. Just a fun thought experiment Even when I squink as hard as I possibly can I can't see any team out there seeing Chytil as a key return piece in any meaningful deal. Just can't, we're looking to drag a can to the curb for a real meaningful asset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 47 minutes ago, rmc51 said: It pushes whoever our current 2RW is/would be down to the bottom 6, thereby improving it. Kakko on the 3rd is better than Gauthier. Hunt on the 4th is better than McKegg. I wouldn't call any of that a "fix". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted March 9, 2022 Author Share Posted March 9, 2022 23 minutes ago, Drew a Penalty said: Looks like you’re right. That was on an expiring deal, though. Might be harder to facilitate for two years, but the Coyotes seem to be willing to do anything for picks so maybe they’d be interested in helping. This is also heavily contingent on actual dollars. It’s why teams like Arizona take on dead cap hits, or entertain this kind of retention. The real dollars it costs them often pales in comparison to the cap numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 17 minutes ago, Pete said: I wouldn't call any of that a "fix". It’s part of it. Still need additional moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 1 hour ago, rmc51 said: That’s basically Kakko’s next bridge deal, assuming he doesn’t get offersheeted. Leads to an interesting question…do you consider Kakko in the deal to make it work? Cap budget unchanged. Offersheet risk eliminated. One or more of those prospects in the boatload of prospects and picks headed out to Chicago in lieu of Kakko might even turn out better than Kakko. No. This isn’t prime Kane and it’s only a year +. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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