Valriera Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 Oh, sure you’re right, but when enough gms do it that stops being true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 Now that I think about Hughes...I'm gonna open my mind... Isn't giving $8M to Hughes the same as giving MacKinnon $6.3 after a 54pt season 5 years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 2 hours ago, Pete said: I don't understand this post, I'm not talking about what any other team is doing, I'm saying the Devil didn't have to give him this deal today. And any GM worth his job is going to tell an agent "just because of Mickey mouse organization does something doesn't mean we're going to". I would 100% trade KK before giving him that kind of deal this year. And it's not even close. We already saw this play out. A shit load of Dmen recently got ~$9 million AAV deals, but it didn't drive up the price for the Norris winner who could easily make the case he should be the highest paid D in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted December 1, 2021 Author Share Posted December 1, 2021 36 minutes ago, Long live the King said: We already saw this play out. A shit load of Dmen recently got ~$9 million AAV deals, but it didn't drive up the price for the Norris winner who could easily make the case he should be the highest paid D in the league. he is one of the highest paid defensemen in the league, though. Those other contracts ensured he was getting a long term deal at over 9m. No discount, no bridge. You can't say those contracts didnt influence what Fox got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 18 minutes ago, josh said: he is one of the highest paid defensemen in the league, though. Those other contracts ensured he was getting a long term deal at over 9m. No discount, no bridge. You can't say those contracts didnt influence what Fox got. He just won the Norris. All those other guys in the 9's didn't. If those deals did influence Fox's deal Fox would be in the 11's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted December 1, 2021 Author Share Posted December 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, Long live the King said: He just won the Norris. All those other guys in the 9's didn't. If those deals did influence Fox's deal Fox would be in the 11's Nah, it would have been less and shorter. Look towards the deal Karlsson signed after he won the Norris. 9.2% of the cap opposed to Fox's 11.5% It was a "He can't get less than these guys that didnt win the Norris" conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 43 minutes ago, josh said: Nah, it would have been less and shorter. Look towards the deal Karlsson signed after he won the Norris. 9.2% of the cap opposed to Fox's 11.5% It was a "He can't get less than these guys that didnt win the Norris" conversation. When Zac Werenski, Seth Jones, and Darnell Nurse all get over 11% of the cap it makes whatever Karlsson did 9 years ago irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted December 1, 2021 Author Share Posted December 1, 2021 EXACTLY. They set the bar for contracts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 16 minutes ago, Long live the King said: When Zac Werenski, Seth Jones, and Darnell Nurse all get over 11% of the cap it makes whatever Karlsson did 9 years ago irrelevant. Jones and Nurse, no. Both were 27 when they signed. Those deals ate primarily/only UFA years. Basically massive July 1 contracts signed before they hit the open market. Same for Karlsson, who signed at 29. Completely different scenarios. Werenski (7/2021, signed age 24, 11.76 CH%), yes. Other primary comparables for Fox were: Chabot (9/2019, signed at age 23, 9.82 CH%)Makar (7/2021, signed at age 22, 11.04 CH%)McAvoy (10/2021, signed age 24, 11.66 CH%) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtyONE Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 I think this speaks the the Devils level of desperation for a franchise player. I mean, the guy has hardly even played, let alone proven anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keirik Posted December 1, 2021 Share Posted December 1, 2021 The summer deals absolutely affected Fox’s deal. Just because he won the Norris doesn’t mean he suddenly just trumps every other highly talented Defenseman though. Sure it’s a notch in his belt but it doesn’t just guarantee a massive bump over his peers. He makes more than Quinn Hughes. The obvious comparison though is Makar and Fox. They are on very similar deals. Makar won the Calder. Fox later won the Norris. They both have identical stats. Fox won the Norris and Makar finished second last year in voting. I guess the confusing deal is Werenski but then you see 4 straight years of double digit goals including a 20 goal season in his repitoire. Plus he’s gotten Norris considerations as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 It seems that being a very high draft pick now gets you a much larger contract years after the draft even if you have done nothing to deserve it. Rasmus Dahlin signed for $6 million after three basically disappointing seasons. If he had been a late first round pick coming off an entry level contract and three difficult years, he'd maybe get a bridge deal at $2 million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted December 2, 2021 Share Posted December 2, 2021 (edited) On 12/2/2021 at 1:05 AM, Sod16 said: It seems that being a very high draft pick now gets you a much larger contract years after the draft even if you have done nothing to deserve it. Rasmus Dahlin signed for $6 million after three basically disappointing seasons. If he had been a late first round pick coming off an entry level contract and three difficult years, he'd maybe get a bridge deal at $2 million. “Disappointing” in maybe his third season. Two 40+ point seasons as a rookie and sophomore, and now has 14 in 22 this year. The “bust” is overhyped even if he isn’t a number 1 do it all defenseman Edited December 3, 2021 by Cash or Czech 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valriera Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 On 12/2/2021 at 7:26 AM, Cash or Czech said: “Disappointing” in maybe his third season. Two 40+ point seasons as a rookie and sophomore, and now has 14 in 22 this year. The “bust” is overhyped even if he isn’t a number 1 so it all defenseman correct, dahlin was actually one of the most promising early picks in his first couple years of late, to be honest. That contract could easily have been a steal if he continued trajectory. May yet be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted December 3, 2021 Share Posted December 3, 2021 34 minutes ago, Valriera said: correct, dahlin was actually one of the most promising early picks in his first couple years of late, to be honest. That contract could easily have been a steal if he continued trajectory. May yet be. Also... buffalo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Bateman Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 This threads pretty funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jsm7302 Posted March 10, 2022 Share Posted March 10, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 You could tell just by watching this kid, well before this deal took place, that he was loaded with talent that neither Kakko nor Lafreniere possess. Especially in the skating department. He's upper echelon of the league there. Good gamble by the Devils that has obviously paid off. He's already a bargain cap hit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted March 11, 2022 Share Posted March 11, 2022 9 hours ago, rmc51 said: You could tell just by watching this kid, well before this deal took place, that he was loaded with talent that neither Kakko nor Lafreniere possess. Especially in the skating department. He's upper echelon of the league there. Good gamble by the Devils that has obviously paid off. He's already a bargain cap hit. He’s gonna be a pain in the rangers asses for a long time 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 On 3/10/2022 at 4:26 PM, Patrick Bateman said: This threads pretty funny Reading back panicking as I can't remember my original opinion on the matter. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 26 minutes ago, Cash or Czech said: Reading back panicking as I can't remember my original opinion on the matter. Whatever it is was probably wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash or Czech Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, Pete said: Whatever it is was probably wrong. Jokes on you, I didn't post a definite opinion either way. Waffled through the entire thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted March 13, 2022 Share Posted March 13, 2022 35 minutes ago, Cash or Czech said: Jokes on you, I didn't post a definite opinion either way. Waffled through the entire thing! And yet You were somehow still wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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