Article Rangers Most Likely to Trade for a Defenseman?

[Patrick Bateman]

Anyone have an idea on how Schneiders looked in AHL? His stats don't look bad with 4 assists and +7 in 14 games

[Keirik]

2 hours ago, Ozzy said:

 

Too bad Getzlaf is entrenched on the West Coast....I think he would've fit like a glove on this team.

Getzlaf is having a renaissance right now. Guy is on the top 10 in the league for points 

[josh]

30 minutes ago, Patrick Bateman said:

Anyone have an idea on how Schneiders looked in AHL? His stats don't look bad with 4 assists and +7 in 14 games

Fine but inconsistent. 

He’s also my favorite prospects so he’s fucking doomed

I’m sure others have seen more than I have, but no defender stands out individually, but as a group they can be really good. But they’re also young so they have some just awful stretches of play. 

I think jones would probably be the first call up bc of his offense. 

[The Dude]

2 hours ago, Keirik said:

And you can easily make the case that a real checking third line center would help stop bleeding some chances as well. 

But... Goodrow... Just make the guy the 3rd line center already. Thats where he fits and is needed most. 

[Patrick Bateman]

5 minutes ago, josh said:

Fine but inconsistent. 

He’s also my favorite prospects so he’s fucking doomed

I’m sure others have seen more than I have, but no defender stands out individually, but as a group they can be really good. But they’re also young so they have some just awful stretches of play. 

I think jones would probably be the first call up bc of his offense. 

Yea, I figured Jones would be the first call up, but at the same time if it's to replace someone like Nemeth I would think you would need to add someone with a bit more size and physicality to their game

[The Dude]

1 hour ago, Sod16 said:

I've taken to calling him "Nemeth The Menace."  I hope we can unload him at the deadline.  Gallant has more confidence in him than I do.

The author of the article looks at some stat sheets, as opposed to spending hours watching the team as the posters do, and no posters think a trade for a D man is in the offing at the moment.

 

No trade clause.  The guys gonna waive it midway first season? I never got the appeal or the thought that this guy was needed. Then again I like Hajek.... you know the worst player to ever skate. The metrics said so.

 

 

[Keirik]

21 minutes ago, The Dude said:

But... Goodrow... Just make the guy the 3rd line center already. Thats where he fits and is needed most. 

I guess, but I don’t really think of him as a defensive shutdown guy. More of a character guy that plays a smart brand of hockey. Asking him to be a shut down guy is a bit of a stretch. 

6 minutes ago, The Dude said:

No trade clause.  The guys gonna waive it midway first season? I never got the appeal or the thought that this guy was needed. Then again I like Hajek.... you know the worst player to ever skate. The metrics said so.

 

 

It’s a modified ntc so he can still be traded. Just only to who he wants to be. 

[Drew a Penalty]

13 minutes ago, Keirik said:

I guess, but I don’t really think of him as a defensive shutdown guy. More of a character guy that plays a smart brand of hockey. Asking him to be a shut down guy is a bit of a stretch. 

It’s a modified ntc so he can still be traded. Just only to who he wants to be. 

8 team no trade list. That still leaves plenty of teams to trade with.

[JessoRx]

44 minutes ago, The Dude said:

But... Goodrow... Just make the guy the 3rd line center already. Thats where he fits and is needed most. 

Goodrow is punching above his weight at 1rw. 100% he's our 3rd line c, but we're going to need to trade Strome, move Chytil up, and trust laf can figure out the right side on the top line. He's a bright young boy, i think he can do it. Or rent a serious wing at the deadline. 

[Costa]

10 minutes ago, JessoRx said:

Goodrow is punching above his weight at 1rw. 100% he's our 3rd line c, but we're going to need to trade Strome, move Chytil up, and trust laf can figure out the right side on the top line. He's a bright young boy, i think he can do it. Or rent a serious wing at the deadline. 

IMO Chytil is not the answer at C. W? Sign me up. If you ask me, I'm trading Chytil before Strome. Strome has proven his worth. The question is what's it going to cost to keep him?

[JessoRx]

20 minutes ago, Costa said:

IMO Chytil is not the answer at C. W? Sign me up. If you ask me, I'm trading Chytil before Strome. Strome has proven his worth. The question is what's it going to cost to keep him?

Chytil's trajectory is really good. He's a 22 year old RFA. .5 ppg, +9 last year. He was wreaking havoc his first game back. Shouldve had 3 goals. They'll come. No Gauthier goal without his effort (he started it in the neutral zone.)

Strome is good, but his numbers are bloated. Too much gluten from the breadman. He's going to want at least 6m per, unless he takes a shocking team friendly deal. Would love to keep him but we can't afford him, and there are other centers who Panarin will make better for less $$. Chytil makes 2. something thru next season.

[Pete]

2 hours ago, JessoRx said:

Chytil's trajectory is really good. He's a 22 year old RFA. .5 ppg, +9 last year. He was wreaking havoc his first game back. Shouldve had 3 goals. They'll come. No Gauthier goal without his effort (he started it in the neutral zone.)

Strome is good, but his numbers are bloated. Too much gluten from the breadman. He's going to want at least 6m per, unless he takes a shocking team friendly deal. Would love to keep him but we can't afford him, and there are other centers who Panarin will make better for less $$. Chytil makes 2. something thru next season.

I feel it's a common theme where people look at Strome's numbers and say they're inflated by Panarin.

Another way to look at it is Panarin has admittedly enjoyed playing with Strome. Why would you not let your $11M investment feel heard?

[The Dude]

10 hours ago, Keirik said:

I guess, but I don’t really think of him as a defensive shutdown guy. More of a character guy that plays a smart brand of hockey. Asking him to be a shut down guy is a bit of a stretch. 

It’s a modified ntc so he can still be traded. Just only to who he wants to be. 

Do you see him as a top 6 winger? If anyone has the ability to be a defensive shut down center on this roster.... Guy wins draws, wins battles along the boards, ok skater, supposedly has good hockey sense... He's not a spark plug. He's not a scorer.  What is he, If he's not a defensive specialist? 

NTC... What team that isn't on his list can afford to take that cap hit, after the Rangers dump him as THEIR 6th/7th Dman? Unless a competitive team is desperate and lost a guy for the season, I don't think he waives to go to anyone who has cap space. 

Edited November 19, 2021 by The Dude

[Tonybologna]

10 minutes ago, Pete said:

I feel it's a common theme where people look at Strome's numbers and say they're inflated by Panarin.

Another way to look at it is Panarin has admittedly enjoyed playing with Strome. Why would you not let your $11M investment feel heard?

I don't know how there are people still not giving Strome credit for the great player he's been. He may be off to a slow start this season but he is proven, and the all the time he produced last season without Panarin should be enough to dispel the "inflated by Panarin" argument.

2 hours ago, JessoRx said:

Chytil's trajectory is really good. He's a 22 year old RFA. .5 ppg, +9 last year. He was wreaking havoc his first game back. Shouldve had 3 goals. They'll come. No Gauthier goal without his effort (he started it in the neutral zone.)

Strome is good, but his numbers are bloated. Too much gluten from the breadman. He's going to want at least 6m per, unless he takes a shocking team friendly deal. Would love to keep him but we can't afford him, and there are other centers who Panarin will make better for less $$. Chytil makes 2. something thru next season.

I agree his trajectory is good and people underrate Chytil's production but at the same time Chytil just doesn't "feel" right a lot of the time, fails the eyeball test I guess. I think it's the position, he's not what you want at 3C and I'm not so sure about him as a 2C either so I'd like to see him on the wing.

[josh]

24 minutes ago, Pete said:

I feel it's a common theme where people look at Strome's numbers and say they're inflated by Panarin.

Another way to look at it is Panarin has admittedly enjoyed playing with Strome. Why would you not let your $11M investment feel heard?

Say they are bloated. 

So? They still count.

That pair would do better with a winger that fits their style more than Panarin&Kakko would benefit from a different center... if we are looking to improve 

[The Dude]

3 hours ago, JessoRx said:

Goodrow is punching above his weight at 1rw. 100% he's our 3rd line c, but we're going to need to trade Strome, move Chytil up, and trust laf can figure out the right side on the top line. He's a bright young boy, i think he can do it. Or rent a serious wing at the deadline. 

Meh. I think Strome is heating up. Seems more like Panarin relies on Strome, as Panarin was flat to start the season with Strome out... I'm a Chytil guy, but I'm really taking the side of those who think he would fit better on the wing.

I've been bitching to see this line combo of Laf- Chytil- Gauthier for months and it is looking pretty effective.  Lafreniere looks lazy though. Just ineffective and weak/soft on the puck, as well as strange decisions with the puck.. 

I see no reason to not roll 3 scoring lines and have an effective 4th line of energy players and PK specialists. 

20- 93- ?

10- 16- 24

13- 72-15

17- 21- 29

Or

20- 93- 72

10- 16- 24

13- 21- 15

29- 17- 75

I like the 1st set up, because then they aren't pigeon holing Lafrenierre with a less offensive minded center. Unless they can trade Lafreniere for a package that can fill his spot on the 3rd line, as well as the right, because Gauthier is screwed if he has to play D. But what do you do next year when Blais is due back? 

 

Keep the 3 scoring lines. Be harder to play against  

 

[Sod16]

5 hours ago, Drew a Penalty said:

8 team no trade list. That still leaves plenty of teams to trade with.

I didn't even think to check his contract.  Any sort of No Trade, modified or not, for a third unit defenseman is ridiculous.

[Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc]

3 hours ago, Sod16 said:

I didn't even think to check his contract.  Any sort of No Trade, modified or not, for a third unit defenseman is ridiculous.

Gotta think the uncertainty around Covid played a part here. Maybe he refuses to play in Canada and had the trade protection as his #1 need.

The AAV + the trade protection is a bad deal tho.

[Costa]

17 hours ago, Tonybologna said:

I don't know how there are people still not giving Strome credit for the great player he's been. He may be off to a slow start this season but he is proven, and the all the time he produced last season without Panarin should be enough to dispel the "inflated by Panarin" argument.

I agree his trajectory is good and people underrate Chytil's production but at the same time Chytil just doesn't "feel" right a lot of the time, fails the eyeball test I guess. I think it's the position, he's not what you want at 3C and I'm not so sure about him as a 2C either so I'd like to see him on the wing.

If you ask me, I think 7-7.5 per keeps Strome a Ranger. He's not getting Zbad money that's for sure.

[JessoRx]

6 hours ago, Costa said:

If you ask me, I think 7-7.5 per keeps Strome a Ranger. He's not getting Zbad money that's for sure.

How can we afford that?

[JessoRx]

On 11/18/2021 at 6:27 PM, Pete said:

I feel it's a common theme where people look at Strome's numbers and say they're inflated by Panarin.

Another way to look at it is Panarin has admittedly enjoyed playing with Strome. Why would you not let your $11M investment feel heard?

So who do we ditch to pay strome what he will want and pick up a rw for zib and kreider?

 

There’ve been many great loves in my love. Pan can forge a new relationship if its the best option. 

[JessoRx]

On 11/18/2021 at 6:50 PM, Tonybologna said:

I don't know how there are people still not giving Strome credit for the great player he's been. He may be off to a slow start this season but he is proven, and the all the time he produced last season without Panarin should be enough to dispel the "inflated by Panarin" argument.

I agree his trajectory is good and people underrate Chytil's production but at the same time Chytil just doesn't "feel" right a lot of the time, fails the eyeball test I guess. I think it's the position, he's not what you want at 3C and I'm not so sure about him as a 2C either so I'd like to see him on the wing.

He sucks at faceoffs. So chytil-goodrow-gauthier? Gotta try laf at rw1 i guess. Not like he’s particularly succeeding where he is. 
 

didnt artie start slow even with strome? He just wasnt warm yet. Probably still hungover from the summer. 
 

my main point again, isnt that i dont want to keep strome, its that i dont think we can afford to keep him. Our cap space is so tight after this season. Strome will command at least 50% of our $12 mil based on his success with panarin. Unless he takes a borderline embarassing team friendly deal, moving on from him is the only way to allow us wiggle room. 

[Costa]

24 minutes ago, JessoRx said:

How can we afford that?

Chytil and maybe Nemeth might be cap casualties. I can also see Georgie boy getting traded as well.

[JessoRx]

4 minutes ago, Costa said:

Chytil and maybe Nemeth might be cap casualties. I can also see Georgie boy getting traded as well.

Chytil is cheap. Would like to see georgie sold also. Nemeth fine, sell. 

[Costa]

14 minutes ago, JessoRx said:

Chytil is cheap. Would like to see georgie sold also. Nemeth fine, sell. 

I don't know if Chytil is the answer at 2C. Unless Morgan Barron is ready to be a mainstay for the bottom 6.