Phil Posted April 10, 2019 Author Share Posted April 10, 2019 The issue exists on both sides. You can't solely look at data and say "Well he's shooting well above his career high, and that's not sustainable" without watching a game or doing more digging to find out why he's shooting at twice his rate. At least Future went through the process of cherry picking out the lucky goals. ;-) On his 31 Thoughts 'cast he told Freidman that Quinn told him to just go and make in impact on the game, even if it wasn't on the scoresheet. Maybe that led to taking some pressure off, making better shot selections, relax a little bit. There are plenty of middle 6 players who hover shooting 20%. Cody fuckin Eakin? It's not out of the realm of possibility that a guy who was drafted 5th overall improves on his career shooting percentage as a later bloomer. I'm not suggesting any of this is fact. I'm saying a lot more goes into it that some people think. Sure, all of that is entirely possible, but it flies in the face of the historical record which largely suggests this is most likely an abberration. Some guys do thrive in that role. Strome could very well be one of them. I just don't like the risk. It's personal preference. But you're not paying them to be in the same role or do the dame job or anywhere near the amount of money, so it's moot. It's not. My argument is to pay impact players and not pay non-impact players. Top-line players get big bucks, top-six players get paid. In my world, third- and fourth-liners you ought to tread lightly with in both term and dollars. This is Strome. The same as it was Hagelin, or Dubinsky, or a slew of others. I don't want to pay Strome that kind of fringe second-line money for the same reason I wouldn't want to give it (and years) to the players above. I don't see enough reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtyONE Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 I am good with getting rid of both Vesey and Names if the return is decent. Return? You're hoping to give Namestnikov away. You might be able to get a 3rd for Vesey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 The return on Names, with one overpriced year on his contract, would be minimal, but there is no real reason to keep him around. Vesey would yield a slightly better return, but he has been in the NHL for three years and is no better than he was at the start. Trading them isn't a matter of getting something in return so much as clearing space to give others a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 10, 2019 Author Share Posted April 10, 2019 Return? You're hoping to give Namestnikov away. You might be able to get a 3rd for Vesey. I think you've got that precisely backwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 Return? You're hoping to give Namestnikov away. You might be able to get a 3rd for Vesey.I think Names garners more attention than Vesey. He fits other teams needs more than a guy like Vesey who still, after 3 years, I'm not sure what he's supposed to be. Is he supposed to be a 2nd line winger that'll pot 20-25? Doubtful due to lack of consistency/ offensive acumen. Is he a 3rd line grinder that can chip in some goals? I think this is closer but he's still really not a great grinder/ recoverer. Too inconsistent in effort on a nightly basis to really fill this role either. I don't doubt that he's got some NHL talents it's just I still don't think he's got an identity. Sent from my [device_name] using http://Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoMinutesForNothing Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 There isn't any place for either of them. Kreider isn't getting traded as much as people may want it. Besides the fact that he shouldn't be traded because he's really good, we're going to have probably five young Russians on our team and Kreider speaks Russian. That's a factor. Realistically he's probably our next captain. Panarin-Zib-Kakko Kreider-Chytl-Buch Lemieux-Howden-Kravtsov Fast-Andersson-Strome And damn it's really crazy to write Kakko in there without having to hope for a miracle to get him now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 I have to think they'll target a legit #2 C now, either in trade or via FA. Maybe they can start season like what's listed above, and see if that happens internally, but I think it's pretty low chance you get a 2C out of Chytil/Andersson/Howden. Should also be fun to watch Kakko sit every 4th game in the Quinn Bin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodrigueGabriel Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 I have to think they'll target a legit #2 C now, either in trade or via FA. Maybe they can start season like what's listed above, and see if that happens internally, but I think it's pretty low chance you get a 2C out of Chytil/Andersson/Howden. Should also be fun to watch Kakko sit every 4th game in the Quinn Bin.Agree. All of a sudden makes Larry's mention of a Hayes encore sound a little less nutty. Sent from my [device_name] using http://Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 There isn't any place for either of them. Kreider isn't getting traded as much as people may want it. Besides the fact that he shouldn't be traded because he's really good, we're going to have probably five young Russians on our team and Kreider speaks Russian. That's a factor. Realistically he's probably our next captain. Panarin-Zib-Kakko Kreider-Chytl-Buch Lemieux-Howden-Kravtsov Fast-Andersson-Strome And damn it's really crazy to write Kakko in there without having to hope for a miracle to get him now. I think we need to pull the reigns in just a little. I'm very excited about Kakko (or Hughes) but penciling either of them onto a top line seems a little premature. That's asking a hell of a lot of a 18 year old that's never consistently played against the best players in the world. Same goes with Kravtsov. I still think Names is in there based on a veteran presence while alleviating some of the pressure these super young kids will be feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 There's no way in hell they break up Zib, Krieder and Buch right off the bat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 There's no way in hell they break up Zib, Krieder and Buch right off the bat. But Panarin-Chytil-Kakko is a solid as fuck #2 line :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYR2711 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 There's no way in hell they break up Zib, Krieder and Buch right off the bat. I agree here, and I also don't see them throwing a teenage kid on the top line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 10, 2019 Author Share Posted April 10, 2019 But Panarin-Chytil-Kakko is a solid as fuck #2 line :D Panarin-Hayes-Kakko, you mean? LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted April 10, 2019 Author Share Posted April 10, 2019 But Panarin-Chytil-Kakko is a solid as fuck #2 line :D Panarin-Hayes-Kakko, you mean? LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 I think I speak for most of this board when I say, please fuck off now Jimmy Vesey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 Panarin-Hayes-Kakko, you mean? LOL. I don't think we're bringing him back in spite of what Brooks says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 Man, if our D/Hank contract situation was even one year better than it is we'd be laughing something fierce right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 I think I speak for most of this board when I say, please fuck off now Jimmy Vesey. Amen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 Jimmy Vesey can eat a dick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlairBettsBlocksEverything Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 I think I speak for most of this board when I say, please fuck off now Jimmy Vesey. I'm more of a 'it's better for the organization to move on but best of luck elsewhere' kind of guy but I see what you mean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 I think I speak for most of this board when I say, please fuck off now Jimmy Vesey. Hold on just a sec Dunny! We're going to need another guy to paint the locker room to help Lettieri! :rofl: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 It's funny how I had deluded myself in to thinking he was fine, and the instant I added Kakko to wing depth chart I could admit that he's fucking terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 It's funny how I had deluded myself in to thinking he was fine, and the instant I added Kakko to wing depth chart I could admit that he's fucking terrible. I know man, I was the same way! I admit it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 It's funny how I had deluded myself in to thinking he was fine, and the instant I added Kakko to wing depth chart I could admit that he's fucking terrible. I see the same thing being done with Strome. Sorry, just not a fan and I don't buy the short term production he had with the Rangers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted April 10, 2019 Share Posted April 10, 2019 I see the same thing being done with Strome. Sorry, just not a fan and I don't buy the short term production he had with the Rangers. Unless I'm confused, but I don't think there is a lot of "I'm a fan of Strome". At least from my personal perspective, I think he is the most useful and effective of the trash heap. I'd still like to unload all of Vesey, Strome, Namestnikov, Fast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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