Phil Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 It’s not difficult to see why these two teams might show particular interest in one another, either, as each has exactly what the other needs. The Avalanche, who are led by arguably the best line in the NHL, could still stand to bolster their offensive ranks with quality secondary scoring for a lengthy post-season run this spring. The Rangers, on the other hand, have plenty of it to offer, and should be fueled by a bleak sense of hope that they might eke out a playoff spot themselves. ”I don’t want them lunging for the playoffs. Nobody’s job depends on whether we make the playoffs or not,” Madison Square Garden CEO, James Dolan, told the New York Post earlier this month. While the Rangers have a bevy of forward options the Avs would likely find attractive, it’s hard to imagine Colorado aren’t most excited about the idea of acquiring Kevin Hayes. The pending unrestricted free agent center is, if not the top prize on the market, then a sizable consolation prize to anyone looking for an impact pivot. And he’s not the only Ranger likely to spark Colorado’s interest. With a whopping $56-plus million in projected deadline space available to them, the Avalanche could essentially buy an entire line of help so long as they were willing to give up on the future assets it would cost them in exchange. To this end, some combination of Hayes and Chris Kreider, Jimmy Vesey, Vladislav Namestnikov, Mats Zuccarello, Jesper Fast, and/or perhaps even Pavel Buchnevich could all be considered in a package deal if the Avs were so inclined. No, rather, it’s their deep prospect pool that probably has Gorton circling in the hopes of prying away a forward prospect like Martin Kaut, or either of Colorado’s premiere defenders, Conor Timmins, and Cale Makar. The latter was a presumed target of the Rangers, who attempted to move up in the 2017 draft to select him. Kaut, 19, was taken 16th overall in last year’s NHL Entry Draft, seven spots after the team drafted Vitaly Kravstov with the ninth overall pick and six before they selected K’Andre Miller, after the team moved up to 22nd. The young rookie has 16 points in 32 games playing for the Avalanche’s AHL affiliate, the Colorado Eagles, who as it turns out, the Rangers are also scouting: Link: https://twitter.com/AJHaefele/status/1086820401768914944 Timmins, 20, who has already suffered concerning ankle and head injuries that he’s worked his way back from, played for the OHL’s Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds from 2015 to 2018 where he was teammates with current Rangers’ prospect Tim Gettinger. Suffice it to say, if the Rangers have interest, they should have a good idea of the player they would be looking to acquire. Or, perhaps the Rangers inquire about Tyson Jost, the 2016 tenth overall pick, who was sent back to the AHL earlier this week. The versatile forward, who can play both center and wing, is known for his excellent skating ability and was taken high in the draft for his offensive instincts. He’s just yet to take command of the opportunities he’s been given to make the Avalanche full-time. There’s also Shane Bowers to consider. The 19-year-old center has direct ties to first-year Rangers head coach David Quinn, who not only coached the now-sophomore Boston University (BU) product, but recruited him to BU in the first place. https://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2019/1/20/18190146/an-avalanche-to-start-the-fire-sale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Colorado has 3 more points than the Rangers. They shouldn’t be giving up the farm for a rental. Maybe trade a prospect their down on and a later pick. Don’t think they should be trading their 1st round picks or top prospects. That’s bad management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Colorado has 3 more points than the Rangers. They shouldn’t be giving up the farm for a rental. Maybe trade a prospect their down on and a later pick. Don’t think they should be trading their 1st round picks or top prospects. That’s bad management. Correct. They’re also letting in goals left, right and centre so I’m not sure where the idea they’re a couple of depth scoring pieces away from contending comes from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 They have 3 more points but they are in completely different places from a marketing, talent and player development standpoint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 They have 3 more points but they are in completely different places from a marketing, talent and player development standpoint. Also of note - those three points are enough to have them in the third seed in their division, and playoff hockey in Denver would be a big deal for that team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Also of note - those three points are enough to have them in the third seed in their division, and playoff hockey in Denver would be a big deal for that team. Well, let's hope they feel the same way. From a roster building perspective, flipping their picks and top prospects would be a ridiculous decision. Given that their core is very young, their window has barely opened and this team is quite a distance away from being actual contenders, getting ahead of themselves would be stupid. I hope I'm wrong because there are good returns there if the Rangers trade with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 @adater No chance they give up much of anything for Hayes as a rental Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 @adater https://www.bsndenver.com/why-trading-for-kevin-hayes-seems-like-a-bad-idea-and-almost-certainly-wont-happen/ But there is almost no chance the Avs will trade for Kevin Hayes by Feb. 25, and here's why: The Avs are simply not going to give away top prospects or top draft picks for any short-term help this season. If Kevin Hayes had three or four years left on his contract, at his current salary ($5.175 million), they might consider moving a nice pick and/or prospect for him. This is why you probably have to re-sign and keep Kevin Hayes. There probably isn't a team in the league thinking this same thing. You won't get his worth in a trade. Perhaps after you re-sign him and he lives up to the contract you can trade him after a year or two, but only if the team isn't showing improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Also of note - those three points are enough to have them in the third seed in their division, and playoff hockey in Denver would be a big deal for that team. Financially and long term marketing wise, a round or 2 of playoff games is probably worth a lot more to the Avs than would an 8th seed and quick out would be to NYR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 https://www.bsndenver.com/why-trading-for-kevin-hayes-seems-like-a-bad-idea-and-almost-certainly-wont-happen/ This is why you probably have to re-sign and keep Kevin Hayes. There probably isn't a team in the league thinking this same thing. You won't get his worth in a trade. Perhaps after you re-sign him and he lives up to the contract you can trade him after a year or two, but only if the team isn't showing improvement.By this logic no team would ever trade for a rental. Dater also doesn't have a strong history of being correct about this stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 By this logic no team would ever trade for a rental. Dater also doesn't have a strong history of being correct about this stuff. Nah, this is more unique of a situation. Hayes is unproven from a standpoint of maintaining this production the rest of the way. You won't get a 70 point player rental price. You'll get a 45 point player rental price. But he very well may be a 70 point player moving forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Nah, this is more unique of a situation. Hayes is unproven from a standpoint of maintaining this production the rest of the way. You won't get a 70 point player rental price. You'll get a 45 point player rental price. But he very well may be a 70 point player moving forward.I'm not really sure that's true. He's also a proven 25 goal scorer (or can be sold as such). Any team trading for him should only expect his production to last over the season. What happens next year is irrelevant. That's the point of a rental and teams trade for rentals all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 By this logic no team would ever trade for a rental. Dater also doesn't have a strong history of being correct about this stuff. No. They have good assets that could really benefit the team long-term, and they aren’t a contender with the adds this season. A third and maybe Jost, if you’re lucky. From a Rangers aspect, don’t you see if you can get a first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 No. They have good assets that could really benefit the team long-term, and they aren?t a contender with the adds this season. A third and maybe Jost, if you?re lucky. From a Rangers aspect, don?t you see if you can get a first?We'll see. That team needs to make the playoffs badly. It's still a business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosenvold Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 We'll see. That team needs to make the playoffs badly. It's still a business. Absolutely true. I'm not sure that they need help up front, though - but their goaltending is dubious. Lundqvist for Makar+1st? They have all the cap space in the world - especially if they dump Varlamov in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 "18. BSN Denver?s Adrian Dater reported that Rangers scouts consistently tailed the Avalanche over the last little while. Unless that?s something Colorado would want the Rangers to take from their roster to facilitate, say, a Kevin Hayes trade, I don?t think New York?s primary interests would be at the NHL level. The obvious connection is Shane Bowers, who Rangers? bench boss David Quinn coached at Boston University. But the Rangers will be seeking much more. The Avalanche will zealously protect their most appealing draft assets." https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/31-thoughts-whats-next-oilers-chiarelli-firing/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 19. Colorado, however, will see what Nikita Zadorov can return. Sweet, Zadorov - Zaitsev. Thanks guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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