gdt: [RS] (#11) Rangers at Los Angeles Kings // F.A.M.

[CBrowningPI]

Chytil definitely had a couple of strong shifts but he didn't have anyone to set up.

ADA again made a strong case to keep him in the lineup. +3 , 2 points. So that's 4 points in 3 games so let's bench him.

Hank played some good hockey in his first say 5 games but his play is declining. Leaving juicy rebounds, over his shoulder goals are having more frequency again. When he makes the first save he gets himself out of position or on his stomach, etc. He said of the game winning goal that he was screened by Smith. Really. Maybe Steve V can tell us the scoring percentage from the top of the circles with a wrist shot. The defense, I thought played well. Of those 40 shots, most were shit, or from the outside.

 

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[Vodka Drunkenski]

Saying hank played well and hank flubbed the last goal is a honest statement. It doesn?t place blame on anyone. The fact is he should make the save. Not being able to admit that is ridiculous. Just as blaming him for the loss would be.

 

This

[Gravesy]

Quinn should be embarrassed that he can't go a game without a too many men penalty against his club.

 

It's embarrassing, but you can't pin that on the coach. The head coach isn't going to micro manage every single on the fly shift over the course of a game. These guys are professionals and have to fucking concentrate.

It's unacceptable though. They already have more minutes for too many men a than we had over a full season in juniors. Ridiculous stuff.

[Giacomin]

Pionk is so scared of the puck. Flimsy stick the first goal, jumped away from the second

 

Rewatch those first two goals, there is no way you should be blaming both goals on Pionk. Not a big deal, just bad analysis. I have the game on DVR and was surprised to read your assessment on those, so I rewatched em. Pionk was fine. Actually most of the defense was very good most of the game. Outside of that one rebound sequence they did not even give up another decent shot on net until the 2nd half of the game. ADA, Pionk, Skjei and even Smith (I wouldn't blame him on that last goal) were fine defensively. Plus ADA was responsible for 2 goals.

[Future]

Rewatch those first two goals, there is no way you should be blaming both goals on Pionk. Not a big deal, just bad analysis. I have the game on DVR and was surprised to read your assessment on those, so I rewatched em. Pionk was fine. Actually most of the defense was very good most of the game. Outside of that one rebound sequence they did not even give up another decent shot on net until the 2nd half of the game. ADA, Pionk, Skjei and even Smith (I wouldn't blame him on that last goal) were fine defensively. Plus ADA was responsible for 2 goals.

The first one...idk that he should have blocked it, but he definitely sagged off of Kovalchuk way too much. You can't just let the guy shoot there.

[Giacomin]

It's a PP. Kopitar walks into top right circle fires a shot, saved by a screened Hank. Pionk pokes it out and away where Doughty quickly regathers at the left point. The Kings spread and he passes to Kovy who is next to the left wall. Pionk is positioned between Kovy and Carter who is behind Pionk to Hank's right. Behind Carter is Brown, to Hanks' left. Staal is sitting above Brown and inches his way to Carter as Pionk moves out towards Kovy maintaining the box. Kovy smartly skates in with some T&S and release a quicky to the net. Staal goes to pickup Carter, Hank makes the save but the rebound trickles out of the left crease where Brown is sitting on the doorstep and taps it in untouched.

 

Watch it with the pause button and stop and start it looking at positioning/the box, etc. and critique. Possible mistakes:

1. Maybe Staal should not have defended and screened Hank on Kopitar's initial shot.

2. When Doughty gathers on his backhand and moves it to Kovy, Hayes left the box to pressure and probably should not have because Doughty wasn't jammed. He had space and outlets on both sides.

3. Staal left Brown completely unattended to lift Carter's stick from behind to prevent a deflection. Unfortunately there was no coverage on Brown sitting on the backside of the crease ready for a loose puck or rebound. Staal was unable to react quick enough with his stick to poke the puck or chop the stick of Brown. It was a decent idea, but he could not react to anything behind him (his momentum was forward on Carter) and backside coverage there is more dangerous than defending against a deflection. Split second decision when down a man, forgivable.

 

Pionk was fine.

[Ozzy]

It's a PP. Kopitar walks into top right circle fires a shot, saved by a screened Hank. Pionk pokes it out and away where Doughty quickly regathers at the left point. The Kings spread and he passes to Kovy who is next to the left wall. Pionk is positioned between Kovy and Carter who is behind Pionk to Hank's right. Behind Carter is Brown, to Hanks' left. Staal is sitting above Brown and inches his way to Carter as Pionk moves out towards Kovy maintaining the box. Kovy smartly skates in with some T&S and release a quicky to the net. Staal goes to pickup Carter, Hank makes the save but the rebound trickles out of the left crease where Brown is sitting on the doorstep and taps it in untouched.

 

Watch it with the pause button and stop and start it looking at positioning/the box, etc. and critique. Possible mistakes:

1. Maybe Staal should not have defended and screened Hank on Kopitar's initial shot.

2. When Doughty gathers on his backhand and moves it to Kovy, Hayes left the box to pressure and probably should not have because Doughty wasn't jammed. He had space and outlets on both sides.

3. Staal left Brown completely unattended to lift Carter's stick from behind to prevent a deflection. Unfortunately there was no coverage on Brown sitting on the backside of the crease ready for a loose puck or rebound. Staal was unable to react quick enough with his stick to poke the puck or chop the stick of Brown. It was a decent idea, but he could not react to anything behind him (his momentum was forward on Carter) and backside coverage there is more dangerous than defending against a deflection. Split second decision when down a man, forgivable.

 

Pionk was fine.

 

Pretty good breakdown of the play, G! :thumbs::thumbs:

 

Sometimes you just have to give credit to the team who executed the play. It was a really good set up and executed to perfection. I give the Kings credit for a good PP goal there.

[Giacomin]

he definitely sagged off of Kovalchuk way too much. You can't just let the guy shoot there.

 

so he did not sag off, rewatch. Kovy got the pass as far outside as possible. Right next to the wall. Pionk moved into position and towards Kovy as Kovy skates a couple of steps in and stops. Pionk stops, making sure he gives Hank vision (and Hank saves it), but can't fully commit to Kovy because Carter is at the top of the crease and Brown was camping out on Hank's left.

[Future]

It's a PP. Kopitar walks into top right circle fires a shot, saved by a screened Hank. Pionk pokes it out and away where Doughty quickly regathers at the left point. The Kings spread and he passes to Kovy who is next to the left wall. Pionk is positioned between Kovy and Carter who is behind Pionk to Hank's right. Behind Carter is Brown, to Hanks' left. Staal is sitting above Brown and inches his way to Carter as Pionk moves out towards Kovy maintaining the box. Kovy smartly skates in with some T&S and release a quicky to the net. Staal goes to pickup Carter, Hank makes the save but the rebound trickles out of the left crease where Brown is sitting on the doorstep and taps it in untouched.

 

Watch it with the pause button and stop and start it looking at positioning/the box, etc. and critique. Possible mistakes:

1. Maybe Staal should not have defended and screened Hank on Kopitar's initial shot.

2. When Doughty gathers on his backhand and moves it to Kovy, Hayes left the box to pressure and probably should not have because Doughty wasn't jammed. He had space and outlets on both sides.

3. Staal left Brown completely unattended to lift Carter's stick from behind to prevent a deflection. Unfortunately there was no coverage on Brown sitting on the backside of the crease ready for a loose puck or rebound. Staal was unable to react quick enough with his stick to poke the puck or chop the stick of Brown. It was a decent idea, but he could not react to anything behind him (his momentum was forward on Carter) and backside coverage there is more dangerous than defending against a deflection. Split second decision when down a man, forgivable.

 

Pionk was fine.

This is a lot of work to defend Pionk. Ilya Kovalchuck has the puck at the dot, don't let him shoot.

 

Points 1 and 2 are irrelevant to Pionk's decision-making, point 3 doesn't happen if Pionk defends the shot.

[Future]

so he did not sag off, rewatch. Kovy got the pass as far outside as possible. Right next to the wall. Pionk moved into position and towards Kovy as Kovy skates a couple of steps in and stops. Pionk stops, making sure he gives Hank vision (and Hank saves it), but can't fully commit to Kovy because Carter is at the top of the crease and Brown was camping out on Hank's left.

Baloney. Pionk just stood there in no-mans land.

 

[josh]

7:30

 

[Giacomin]

Not even gonna breakdown the 2nd one, but what coach would blame Pionk on that mess after the first shot.

check yourself.

 

Wanna blame the first 2 goals on something. How about stupid penalties, like the one on McLoud or the too many men. Ozzy you're right, add good PP execution.

 

The 3rd goal, was on Fast. He backchecked tight, but did not get his stick down at all and was slow to react to the puck or stick. The last one is on Hank.

[Giacomin]

Ha, you guys watched that and tell me you don't see how Pionk stops attacking Kovy to give Hank a clear view and not abandon Carter completely with 2 men in the crease? And Hank stops it.

 

What precedes Kovy's shot is hardly irrelevant. What kind of understanding of positioning and decisions can you have if you start by looking at the shot?

 

Hayes made the real mistake turning the 5 on 4 into a 4 on 3, and Kovy took advantage by being very aggressive attacking from the wall and as he and the other 3 kings closed in on the net. Essentially/technically in theory Kovy is Hayes's man in that play, not Pionks.

[LONG LONG LONG TIME FAN]

My response to this latest version of the NYR:

 

[Future]

Ha, you guys watched that and tell me you don't see how Pionk stops attacking Kovy to give Hank a clear view and not abandon Carter completely with 2 men in the crease? And Hank stops it.

 

What precedes Kovy's shot is hardly irrelevant. What kind of understanding of positioning and decisions can you have if you start by looking at the shot?

 

Hayes made the real mistake turning the 5 on 4 into a 4 on 3, and Kovy took advantage by being very aggressive attacking from the wall and as he and the other 3 kings closed in on the net. Essentially/technically in theory Kovy is Hayes's man in that play, not Pionks.

He stops attacking one of the best shooters in the world. That's the problem. You wouldn't just let Ovi shoot it either.

 

Start by looking at the shot...Kovy had the puck for a few steps before he took the shot. In the NHL, that's a long time. Pionk did absolutely nothing.

 

I'm not blaming him for the goal, exclusively, but making no play isn't the same thing as making a good play.

[CBrowningPI]

Watching Hayes get the puck with 5 seconds to go and players milling around the crease, instead of shooting for a deflection, he skates it around the back of the net. His decisions with the puck are infuriating and he doesn't possess the mental capacity to change it. He shows glimpses of Bergeron then looks like he's drunk the next shift. If teams are showing interest then get him out.

 

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[Giacomin]

Watching Hayes get the puck with 5 seconds to go and players milling around the crease, instead of shooting for a deflection, he skates it around the back of the net. His decisions with the puck are infuriating and he doesn't possess the mental capacity to change it. He shows glimpses of Bergeron then looks like he's drunk the next shift. If teams are showing interest then get him out.

 

Ha ha, my wife still loves Hayes and we were talking about that decision and his situational awareness. She was like, "he's committed to a possession game even with 5 seconds left".

 

Hayes is the oddest hockey player ( I guess an infuriating enigma) to watch all season. He looks fast, looks slow. He causes turnovers with great positioning and amazing anticipation and a smart stick. He then turns a great play and an inevitable 2 on 1 into a 2 on 3. But then makes a nice pass through the slot to threaten. He'll regain the loose puck, protect it and then flub the pass out of the O zone. He'll shutdown a top center all game, then get caught falling in the Ozone for a goal. He'll take a puck strong to the net, then take a puck strong into the corner. And so it goes.

 

He's pretty awesome and also sucks.

[Giacomin]

This isn't Chris Kreider inconsistent, it is some kind of jeckel/hyde syndrome.

[Vodka Drunkenski]

I have no idea what Pionk was doing on that first goal, he looked scared of getting in front of Kovalchuk. That was very poor positioning.

[Giacomin]

I have no idea what Pionk was doing on that first goal, he looked scared of getting in front of Kovalchuk. That was very poor positioning.

 

When he saw Kovy setting up to shoot, he stopped and leaned away giving Hank as clear a view as possible and he saved it. Puck trickled away from Hank and Brown is on the doorstep alone.

 

He's either a pussy or he is listening to his coaches and Hank who are telling the dmen to allow a clear view of the shot.

[Future]

When he saw Kovy setting up to shoot, he stopped and leaned away giving Hank as clear a view as possible and he saved it..

But this is only because of how passive he was in the first place. He had plenty of time to get there before the shot was taken, and then you are less likely to end up with that rebound.

Don't push play and look where both he and Kovy are. Kovy has just corraled the puck and is at the boards, Pionk has stopped skating. If Pionk takes two more strides towards Kovy, he can't step into the shot. Watch how long Kovy is able to just stride in and load up for the shot. There's 2 full seconds before the shot is gone, Pionk had PLENTY of time to get there.

 

There's no way that's Hayes' man, because there's no way they're leaving Drew Doughty uncovered at the point.

[Phil]

Will you still make the GDT for the sadists among us that need a forum?

 

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Of course. Just like this one. F.A.M.

[BrooksBurner]

I think Pionk got caught off guard and did not expect Kovalchuk to walk in and shoot. By the time he realized it he simply allowed as clear a view as possible for Hank, but the initial decision not to move up and challenge was very poor.

[The Dude]

Ha, you guys watched that and tell me you don't see how Pionk stops attacking Kovy to give Hank a clear view and not abandon Carter completely with 2 men in the crease? And Hank stops it.

 

What precedes Kovy's shot is hardly irrelevant. What kind of understanding of positioning and decisions can you have if you start by looking at the shot?

 

Hayes made the real mistake turning the 5 on 4 into a 4 on 3, and Kovy took advantage by being very aggressive attacking from the wall and as he and the other 3 kings closed in on the net. Essentially/technically in theory Kovy is Hayes's man in that play, not Pionks.

 

I'm with Future. Defend that initial shot and you save everyone the effort of what can happen from that shot getting off.

[Giacomin]

I think Pionk got caught off guard and did not expect Kovalchuk to walk in and shoot. By the time he realized it he simply allowed as clear a view as possible for Hank, but the initial decision not to move up and challenge was very poor.

 

I can appreciate that take. Ideally, Hayes doesn't take the extra 2 steps toward Doughty and is in position to react (use his stick) to Kovy on the wall. Kovy then has to move it back to Doughty or send it below the goal line. It wasn't much, but Hayes is not Hags and doesn't have a quick twitch ability to shift directions on a dime and switch his body and stick back to the wing. Pionk is not expecting to skate out and challenge a guy that far from the goal with 2 men already behind him. Staal does this all too often, chasing guys who are on the other side of the circle. Unless you block the puck it leaves a 2 on 1 in front of the net.