Giacomin Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 Other considerations: One of the kid C's plays wing, for a while. Not sure if that is a good idea. Maybe. All the RFAs returned, as did Zuc. Every vet forward since the deadline trades. Plenty of vets, less room as a result. Dude D is different. Only thing is your list has no Dmen. Doesn't matter, we signed someone way better than any PTO, in Claesson. Experienced, has size, can skate and defend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giacomin Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 I love the idea of Stewart coming in on a PTO. I've brought up his name when we were all talking about bringing in a vet for leadership. No problem with this, he's younger. Makes more sense then letting McLoud take a spot with the big club for more than 10 games all year. Or a guy like Brouwer who is even slower than his slow ass self has ever been. Some of these guys are well past 30 and clearly in declining health or skills. Why bother with guys you really don't want to see nightly. Or someone who even if barely adequate, will be even worse next year. Sure, if there is a hidden gem, or even a leader/work ethic type, take a shot. But that is player specific, with fit in mind.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slobberknocker Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 KZB Names, Chytil, Zuc Vesey, Lias, Spooner x,Howden, Fast would so like this to be the case at some point this season. get Hayes out of here for more picks. hopefully he comes out like a house of fire in a show me year and we deal high on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giacomin Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 KZB Names, Chytil, Zuc Vesey, Lias, Spooner x,Howden, Fast would so like this to be the case at some point this season. get Hayes out of here for more picks. hopefully he comes out like a house of fire in a show me year and we deal high on him. Teams need Centers so badly, that Gorton needs to play it smart and get us a real top prospect (a scorer or RHD) or a 1st plus. I can wait till the deadline if he does another Nash or Grabner like deal. It will be interesting who turns out to be the better C. Howden or Lias. Very excited about Howden and we should feel the same way about minutes for both of them. Howden needs to get consistent ice time or he starts in Hartford. I'm sure you agree... none of our 3 rookie C's should sit out games in the press box. They are high-end prospects, not middling prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 WE need centers, still. Zib-Chytil-Andersson-Howden is going to be too weak to start the seaso Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 Depends. Too weak for what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 playing, competing, developing. You NEED someone to take the hard minutes, the hard matchups, etc on a nightly basis, or the kids get stuck with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 No problem with this, he's younger. Makes more sense then letting McLoud take a spot with the big club for more than 10 games all year. Or a guy like Brouwer who is even slower than his slow ass self has ever been. Some of these guys are well past 30 and clearly in declining health or skills. Why bother with guys you really don't want to see nightly. Or someone who even if barely adequate, will be even worse next year. Sure, if there is a hidden gem, or even a leader/work ethic type, take a shot. But that is player specific, with fit in mind.. It's all about character building. A guy like Ward is old as fuck and slow as shit, but he could still be a net presence as a PP specialist. A gritty vet to plug in if the younger guys don't show enough. We are talking PTO's here. Not some long term option. This team could use various skillsets and intangibles. Like, leadership, willingness to get dirty, understanding what the plan is and why they are here, NHL caliber depth, size, and experience. This team is VERY young as is. I see no harm in bringing in any vet (not named Tanner Glass or Cody Mcleod) on a PTO, to see what they can bring to camp and possibly the team this coming season. I'll take a look at the D men in a bit. I know there's very little out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 WE need centers, still. Zib-Chytil-Andersson-Howden is going to be too weak to start the seaso Hayes.... Whoopie!!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 Hayes.... Whoopie!!? He was our best offensive center, our best defensive center, and took the important draws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted August 14, 2018 Share Posted August 14, 2018 There is no role for any PTO on this team where it is now. Lee Stepniak? Come on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 14, 2018 Author Share Posted August 14, 2018 There is no role for any PTO on this team where it is now. Lee Stepniak? Come on. Sure is. You just disagree. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 He was our best offensive center, our best defensive center, and took the important draws. Zib was their best offensive center and he missed 10 games... Anyway, he is the spot holder until one of these kids proves they can take his spot. If Hayes is the 2nd or 3rd line center is the question. They have Zib and Hayes to start the season. You said they are too weak at center to start the season. Unless you think none of Chytil, Andersson or Howden can make the roster as either the 2nd or 3rd line center. If that's the case, Namestnikov, Spooner and Lettieri can all play center, so there's more options. IMO winger depth is more of an issue. I'm guessing they have hopes one of the Euro free agent signings turns out to be a diamond in the rough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 There is no role for any PTO on this team where it is now. Lee Stepniak? Come on. Anyone that can take the 13th forward spot away from Mcleod, or as a PK specialist is a definite need for this team. Possibly a 4th line center too, though I'm more confident in Nieves getting that job than others, but since it's a discussion, it's not a bad thing to add options that aren't guaranteed contracts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Zib was their best offensive center and he missed 10 games... Anyway, he is the spot holder until one of these kids proves they can take his spot. If Hayes is the 2nd or 3rd line center is the question. They have Zib and Hayes to start the season. You said they are too weak at center to start the season. Unless you think none of Chytil, Andersson or Howden can make the roster as either the 2nd or 3rd line center. If that's the case, Namestnikov, Spooner and Lettieri can all play center, so there's more options. IMO winger depth is more of an issue. I'm guessing they have hopes one of the Euro free agent signings turns out to be a diamond in the rough. Mika was only better on the PP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Anyone that can take the 13th forward spot away from Mcleod, or as a PK specialist is a definite need for this team. Possibly a 4th line center too, though I'm more confident in Nieves getting that job than others, but since it's a discussion, it's not a bad thing to add options that aren't guaranteed contracts. True Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Mika was only better on the PP. Zib is the better offensive player. Even strength, PP, on a Tuesday, against left handed goalies, when it's spaghetti night, and when the Dow is up. I go with Zib to be the teams top center. You take Hayes.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 He was our best offensive center, our best defensive center, and took the important draws.Defensive yes. Offensive no, and think we need to check about draws as Zib was out alot just for draws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 He was our best offensive center, our best defensive center, and took the important draws. What do you mean by "the important draws"? A D-zone faceoff while up a goal with 30s left, Hayes is probably in. If down by a goal with 30s left and an O-zone faceoff Im pretty sure Zib was the go-to guy. Zib was slightly better at the dot with 50.8% against Hayes' 50.5%. Zib is levels above Hayes offensively, the opposite defensively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thes5 Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 playing, competing, developing. You NEED someone to take the hard minutes, the hard matchups, etc on a nightly basis, or the kids get stuck with them. Why? So they can win a few more games and, potentially, deteriorate their chance of drafting higher? It is becoming a younger league, so why not let the kids play? Now, if a kid like Howden is physically immature, you don't want to get him hurt, but otherwise, sink or swim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 15, 2018 Author Share Posted August 15, 2018 That's not how you develop kids. That's how you destroy them. See Del Zotto, Michael; Malhotra, Manny; Gagner, Sam. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thes5 Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 That's not how you develop kids. That's how you destroy them. See Del Zotto, Michael; Malhotra, Manny; Gagner, Sam. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Maybe, or maybe those players were never going to live up to expectations. It happens all the time. On the other hand, kids are brought in without professional experience and they exceed expectations. Are these things quantifiable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 Why? So they can win a few more games and, potentially, deteriorate their chance of drafting higher? It is becoming a younger league, so why not let the kids play? Now, if a kid like Howden is physically immature, you don't want to get him hurt, but otherwise, sink or swim. If its 1 guy, that has the right experience, sure. Howden is coming from junior hockey. If you want a true rebuild, you have to put a player where he is going to be the most successful in which the team can benefit long-term. You put Chytil against Crosby, Ovechkin, Panarin, Stamkos, etc every night, all he learns is how to run around in his own zone. Let Hayes deal with that so Chytil and Andersson can get better matchups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thes5 Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 If its 1 guy, that has the right experience, sure. Howden is coming from junior hockey. If you want a true rebuild, you have to put a player where he is going to be the most successful in which the team can benefit long-term. You put Chytil against Crosby, Ovechkin, Panarin, Stamkos, etc every night, all he learns is how to run around in his own zone. Let Hayes deal with that so Chytil and Andersson can get better matchups. I get it, but if the kid is physically capable, why not let him play. I don't think you match the kids up against the other teams top lines. I just think that kids nowadays are more ready to play at an early age. The off ice work they do is light years from even 10 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted August 15, 2018 Share Posted August 15, 2018 just dont want to set anyone up for failure. during a long rebuild, you have the chance to be patient, unlike previous teams & their situations - where we were more likely to see 'sink or swim' to fill 1 hole, or get a vet to fill it. Let's set these guys up for long-term success, coddle them, baby steps, because we usually dont have the "luxury" of doing so. (and believe me, saying this makes me sick, because its not what I like, but the best option, IMO) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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