Fatfrancesa Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 The benefit would be that they didn’t get an acceptable offer before the deadline so they wait. If the offer is there I would imagine they will take it. They are taking phone calls about him, surely by now they have some idea of the market for him. I would guess the rangers would leave it as a take it or leave it offer to communicating teams. If they meet the price then so be it if not wait until draft day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatfrancesa Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Also teams that are in the market now may not be willing to include some pieces now before the playoffs because they don’t want to weaken their current roster. In the off season those pieces may become available as teams deal with a tough playoff ouster, cap issues, or even unexpected development elsewhere in their system that allows another piece expendable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Better yet Franny, some teams may be willing to part with higher picks due to not messing with their current rosters. I hear ya man. We'll see in 2 weeks man, but I'm hoping for the best. I hope we can land a top 5 pick somehow....even if we have to throw in Dolan's mother! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giacomin Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Also teams that are in the market now may not be willing to include some pieces now before the playoffs because they don’t want to weaken their current roster. In the off season those pieces may become available as teams deal with a tough playoff ouster, cap issues, or even unexpected development elsewhere in their system that allows another piece expendable. Certainly some merit to this. Opportunities do pop up due to everything that happens between now and July 1. Cap planning and player issues emerge. I see this as a fallback for not unearthing a very good return, after doing the tireless work, calls, creativity, scouting, persistence and negotiating. All things being equal, his value will be diminished with only 1 year left on that sweet contract. If there is nothing there for McD now, I guess we can hope it gets better in the off season. But keep in mind, if GMs do not see good value in adding McD going into the stretch and playoffs, why would they see more value next year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatfrancesa Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Only because it’s easier to make roster shakeups during the off season. Adding mcd and losing whatever goes back the other way is not a minor move. Cap issues are only part of it and teams gain cap space as the season ends as do contracts. Teams lose players to ufa themselves. New gms or coaches take over looking to make their mark onto a roster. Waiting until draft day broadens the market without a doubt. Teams look to make their roster moves then these days. No playoff teams will enter the fold as well especially those who were supposed to be there but had disappointing seasons. To me the draft is where you maximize a mcd trade. I guess the market could go down but not sure that’s reasonable with more teams entering the game. Regardless mcd is a situation you have the luxury to wait on If you get the deal that checks all your boxes and you like pull the trigger. One last round of opportunities for others to counter with sweeter deals but that’s it. You will probably always think you could get more, just make sure you get the value back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWantsTheCup Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 I hope we can land a top 5 pick somehow....even if we have to throw in Dolan's mother! We can always throw in the rights to Michael Sauer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted February 16, 2018 Author Share Posted February 16, 2018 I think the team should have a policy of requiring or asking all players with modified no moves to provide lists of teams to which they can be traded or not traded at the various times that those limitations kick in under the contract. That way, submission of these lists will not signal that a player is on the market and cause all of the issues that come with that. Does their list change from now till the end of the season? I thought back in the day, that players already had such a list ready at the time of the contract signing.. If they fail to move McD this season, does he have the ability to change his list the day the season ends? Or is that it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giacomin Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Only because it’s easier to make roster shakeups during the off season. Adding mcd and losing whatever goes back the other way is not a minor move. Cap issues are only part of it and teams gain cap space as the season ends as do contracts. Teams lose players to ufa themselves. New gms or coaches take over looking to make their mark onto a roster. Waiting until draft day broadens the market without a doubt. Teams look to make their roster moves then these days. No playoff teams will enter the fold as well especially those who were supposed to be there but had disappointing seasons. To me the draft is where you maximize a mcd trade. I guess the market could go down but not sure that’s reasonable with more teams entering the game. Regardless mcd is a situation you have the luxury to wait on If you get the deal that checks all your boxes and you like pull the trigger. One last round of opportunities for others to counter with sweeter deals but that’s it. You will probably always think you could get more, just make sure you get the value back. Appreciate your counter points, they are persuasive and hopeful. Opportunities do pop up at the end of the season. New staffs, disapointing outs, who knows. Our mgmt needs to be ready and targeting the right players and prospects. Our scouting needs to step up, there will be a lot of critical evaluations needed. All our scouts should be swamped every day, until the draft. Gorton needs to stockpile young assets with significant upside. If we can't get the 20 y/o's like Provorov, MacAvoy, Sergachev let's go after the 19 year olds like Fabbro who stepped into MacAvoy's spot nicely at BU. Maybe Foote is impressing Ranger scouts along with one of Tampas 19 y/o forwards. That could at least be a basis for a Nash deal. Just frustrated hearing teams like Tampa, Boston, Toronto and even the Jets (all 4 already playoff locks) wanting someone like McD for the playoffs. It seems we should be working Tampa, Boston, Toronto big time. If you are Yzerman, it may be one thing to wait on McD, but another to know he is going to your playoff opposition and rival. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatfrancesa Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Couldn’t agree more. I think it’s rather easy to know what we want it’s anotger to get it though. What you’re looking for should be what they target. Hopefully there is a team capable and willing to make a deal. In the cases of Nash and grabs then your just taking the best you can get. In 10 days if they are not gone Gorton should be. He cannot overplay his hand on the ufas. The others there is no rush Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Respecttheblue Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Now yields a bigger return. At the draft, you might get a recognizable roster player, that a team doesnt want to trade heading into the playoffs... but that doesnt seem to be our target My gut is also that now yields the best return?this is when cup contenders cough up a first and a hot prospect for even a Yandle. Remember that? Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatfrancesa Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 To bad we aren’t trading with Sather Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Does their list change from now till the end of the season? I thought back in the day, that players already had such a list ready at the time of the contract signing.. If they fail to move McD this season, does he have the ability to change his list the day the season ends? Or is that it? I believe they typically reset on July 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 I believe they typically reset on July 1st. No, that's outdated. Players don't agree to that anymore. It's usually "at the time of trade", so within a reasonable a amount of time. McDonagh would be asked now, then again before the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Glad he?s on the table. Now the return better be substantial. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giacomin Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Couldn’t agree more. I think it’s rather easy to know what we want it’s anotger to get it though. What you’re looking for should be what they target. Hopefully there is a team capable and willing to make a deal. In the cases of Nash and grabs then your just taking the best you can get. In 10 days if they are not gone Gorton should be. He cannot overplay his hand on the ufas. The others there is no rush What I'm struggling with is how is McD more valuable to Boston, Toronto and especially Tampa in the off season? Yzerman probably loves the idea of the Rangers holding on to McD as he grabs Greene (and probably a forward somewhere), leaving Toronto with no real upgrades to their blueline and Boston as is. He'd probably prefer it to trading more for McD and see Greene go to Toronto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatfrancesa Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Just heard on Sirius nhl that the rangers are demanding Jake debrusk be involved in any trade for mcd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatfrancesa Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Upon googling Jake DeBrusk it’s being reported by multiple sources Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted February 17, 2018 Author Share Posted February 17, 2018 Report: Rangers want DeBrusk in a McDonagh deal https://search.app.goo.gl/adtV Rangers want DeBrusk if Boston is asking. Is that enough? The little I've seen of him, he's a decent player. Not sure hes enough to be the centerpiece of a #1 D man trade. Is the source any good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane Falco Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Report: Rangers want DeBrusk in a McDonagh deal https://search.app.goo.gl/adtV Rangers want DeBrusk if Boston is asking. Is that enough? The little I've seen of him, he's a decent player. Not sure hes enough to be the centerpiece of a #1 D man trade. Is the source any good? The source is Jim Matheson who covers the Oilers. I wouldn't say he's not credible but I'd take what he says with a grain of salt. Rangers are doing a good job of keeping things tight lipped. A lot of what's going around seems like pure speculation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatfrancesa Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 He’s covered the oilers since the 70’s. Not sure if it’s speculation but it’s also being reported that the bruins are saying no to debrusk or Carlo as they don’t want to mess with their current roster and both are regular contributors to their current success Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtyONE Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Problem with getting prospects back in a trade is that I know very little about any of them aside from a few could-be-stars. So DeBrusk for a #1 or #2 D to pair with Chara? Is that enough? I have no idea but I'd guess no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Not sure why that is a "demand". He has decent potential but I have seen many players have ~40 points rookie seasons justto turn out average. Perhaps Debrusk + 1st is a good starting point, but for me much more is needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Trading McDonagh has to be a NO BRAINER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.wiskers Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 I hear we are NOT looking for draft picks, which makes sense, a deal with TB, Tor, or Boston would mean a bottom 5 pick in the draft?which isn?t appetizing at all. Would Debrusk, Senychyn and either Zboril or vaakanien be too much for McD? Sent from my iPad using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatfrancesa Posted February 18, 2018 Share Posted February 18, 2018 Hockey night in Canada update. They are reporting Nashville is very unlikely to include Tolvanen in any deal. May not even trade for a rental as Tolvanen may come over to the press this season as they are talking with his agent about the possibility. If so they would be out of the rental market Could be postering but that’s what was reported Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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