BrooksBurner Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 A first-round pick from a Contender. For each of them. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk I would be shocked if that happened. I think that is more "extremely best-case" than realistic.
Phil Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 I don't agree. I also don't agree that Nash, Grabner and the rest of the UFAs are of equal standing with McDonagh and Zuccarello. There actually is a middle ground between them, even if it's only based on the additional year left on each of their deals. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk
BrooksBurner Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 I don't agree. I also don't agree that Nash, Grabner and the rest of the UFAs are of equal standing with McDonagh and Zuccarello. There actually is a middle ground between them, even if it's only based on the additional year left on each of their deals. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk If Nash and Grabner only net 2nd round picks, do you make the deal knowing that almost certainly kills any playoff chances we currently have?
Phil Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 No. That's not good enough (of a return). I also don't think this team can do any meaningful damage in the playoffs with it without them. Nash has a name and pedigree that is all but guaranteed to generate a bidding war and Grabner is tied for second in the league in even strength goals (20). They're worth firsts. If not more. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk
LindG1000 Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 I don't agree. I also don't agree that Nash, Grabner and the rest of the UFAs are of equal standing with McDonagh and Zuccarello. There actually is a middle ground between them, even if it's only based on the additional year left on each of their deals. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk It's not just that year though. It's that year at that salary for that production. Zucc is one of the best bang-for-your-buck non-rookie contracts in the NHL.
LindG1000 Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 Would you guys be open to trading Nash and/or Grabner within the division? I could see NJ putting up a pretty penny for Nash, and Penguins being all over Grabner. (Even though Nash will sign with the Penguins during the offseason) Open to trading within the division, sure, but for a premium. I'm not helping anyone in our division win anything without going for the jugular and getting a player that hurts them in the long run.
The Dude Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 A lot of debate in this thread. In my opinion, there are only two logical paths. You either go for it or you rip the entire team apart. No in between. It would be incredibly pointless to make only one trade that would almost certainly cripple any kind of playoff chances this year. You don't trade Nash, Grabner, Zuccarello, or McDonagh unless your goal is to trade them all. Moving Nash and Grabner for 2nd round picks is not worth missing a playoff spot. Moving just Zuccarello or McDonagh, rather than both, is not committed enough to rebuilding and the return for just one of them would not be worth missing a playoff spot. I just hope Gorton picks a direction and goes all in with it. The in-between stuff will hurt us badly short term and not help us as much long term. We can't have it both ways. That's kinda what I think. If they are giving up on the season I trade anyone that brings back a serious return (ie 1st round picks AND top prospects). I don't want to add more mediocre picks to the remaining semi mediocre roster with no Nash and Grabner. I don't hand the reigns over to Miller and Hayes to fill that gaping hole. Poor Zib and Kreider. This team is going to stink. I guess tear it down...... If it's ok with Lundqvist...
Rangers4Life Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 A lot of debate in this thread. In my opinion, there are only two logical paths. You either go for it or you rip the entire team apart. No in between. It would be incredibly pointless to make only one trade that would almost certainly cripple any kind of playoff chances this year. You don't trade Nash, Grabner, Zuccarello, or McDonagh unless your goal is to trade them all. Moving Nash and Grabner for 2nd round picks is not worth missing a playoff spot. Moving just Zuccarello or McDonagh, rather than both, is not committed enough to rebuilding and the return for just one of them would not be worth missing a playoff spot. I just hope Gorton picks a direction and goes all in with it. The in-between stuff will hurt us badly short term and not help us as much long term. We can't have it both ways. In your scenario, they make a push for the playoffs with the current group only to either a) miss the playoffs while losing Nash and Grabner in the offseason for nothing or b) lose in the 1st or maybe (big maybe) the 2nd round while losing Nash and Grabner in the offseason for nothing. That doesn?t make sense to me. This team is not a contender as currently built, anyone can sugarcoat the what if?s all day but I just don?t see it. The light bulb isn?t going to magically go on here.
Rangers4Life Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 That's kinda what I think. If they are giving up on the season I trade anyone that brings back a serious return (ie 1st round picks AND top prospects). I don't want to add more mediocre picks to the remaining semi mediocre roster with no Nash and Grabner. I don't hand the reigns over to Miller and Hayes to fill that gaping hole. Poor Zib and Kreider. This team is going to stink. I guess tear it down...... If it's ok with Lundqvist... So you?re basically prolonging the inevitable of them stinking without Nash and Grabner just to say they made the playoffs? Why?
The Dude Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 So you’re basically prolonging the inevitable of them stinking without Nash and Grabner just to say they made the playoffs? Why? The east is wide open. Much like last season any team can go far. Why not the team with the most playoff experienced goalie as well as a group of experienced young players? Add a 2nd line center and NHL caliber D man, and this team can compete. Don't? Then sell. This point has been beaten to death. It's fine that some disagree. I and a few others aren't sold on the season being an impossible challenge. I don't want Miller as the teams top singer going forward. I'm sorry I don't see how that helps anything in either direction.
Phil Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 The east is wide open. Much like last season any team can go far. Why not the team with the most playoff experienced goalie as well as a group of experienced young players? Add a 2nd line center and NHL caliber D man, and this team can compete. Don't? Then sell. This point has been beaten to death. It's fine that some disagree. I and a few others aren't sold on the season being an impossible challenge. How wide, exactly? Do you envision the Rangers or any other clubs beating the Lightning? Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk
Rangers4Life Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 The east is wide open. Much like last season any team can go far. Why not the team with the most playoff experienced goalie as well as a group of experienced young players? Add a 2nd line center and NHL caliber D man, and this team can compete. Don't? Then sell. This point has been beaten to death. It's fine that some disagree. I and a few others aren't sold on the season being an impossible challenge. I don't want Miller as the teams top singer going forward. I'm sorry I don't see how that helps anything in either direction. Basically you?re betting it all on the stars aligning perfectly. Might want to change your handle to Lloyd Christmas then. I do agree that this thread has been beaten to death though.
josh Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 How wide, exactly? Do you envision the Rangers or any other clubs beating the Lightning? Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk I could see Columbus, Pittsburgh, Washington, Boston, Leafs, beating them. I think Philly would be competitive. Sorry NJ.
Phil Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 I guess I just don't share the same confidence. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk
Dunny Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 Odds are someone will beat the Lightning, it's quite possible they've already spent their wad and will role to the finish rather unspectacularly. These aren't linear things, yet seem to continue to be treated as such. As fast as it's all there for you it disappears.
Future Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 Odds are someone will beat the Lightning, it's quite possible they've already spent their wad and will role to the finish rather unspectacularly. These aren't linear things, yet seem to continue to be treated as such. As fast as it's all there for you it disappears. They almost certainly blew it all early and are just now dealing with their first meaningful injuries of the year, we'll see how they respond. The West is bad, but it's way ahead of the East in terms of top teams and the Central might have 4 best teams in hockey right now. Small sample, but TBL has lost 5 out of 8 and given up at least 30 shots 7 times in that span and got outshot in all 3 of their wins. That's pretty much exactly the same run the Rangers were on a couple weeks ago.
Long live the King Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 They almost certainly blew it all early and are just now dealing with their first meaningful injuries of the year, we'll see how they respond. The West is bad, but it's way ahead of the East in terms of top teams and the Central might have 4 best teams in hockey right now. Right now being the operative term. Prior to winning 10 in a row the Aves were 1 game over.500, and despite 10 straight wins are still fighting for a wild card spot. How long can they sustain it? The team that wins the cup will most likely be the team that finishes March playing the way Tampa started and Colorado currently is...
Phil Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 :tweet: @HockeyStatMiner: #NYR* Since December 10th (last 19 games): - 3 regulation wins - 13 times allowing 35+ SOG - just 1 regulation win in 9 games against top-16 NHL teams (3-4-2). - have been outshot in 8 of those 9 games Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk
Future Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 So they're essentially playing .500 regulation hockey against playoff teams. Sounds right. I don't know why people care about this team being outshot. They regularly pass up shooting opportunities and regularly play against teams who don't play hockey, they play "Durrr throw everything at the net and hope to get a bounce" offense.
The Dude Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 How wide, exactly? Do you envision the Rangers or any other clubs beating the Lightning? Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Yes. Absolutely. They have fallen to pieces since the Hedman injury. They stink right now.
AliveIn94 Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 So they're essentially playing .500 regulation hockey against playoff teams. Sounds right. I don't know why people care about this team being outshot. They regularly pass up shooting opportunities and regularly play against teams who don't play hockey, they play "Durrr throw everything at the net and hope to get a bounce" offense.Isn't luck a part of the game? Some more dirty goals, off bodies, off skates, could turn games for us instead of passpasspass. Sent from my [device_name] using http://Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk
The Dude Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 I could see Columbus, Pittsburgh, Washington, Boston, Leafs, beating them. I think Philly would be competitive. Sorry NJ. I could even see the Isles beating them. Nobody is bullet proof this year.
The Dude Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 Basically you’re betting it all on the stars aligning perfectly. Might want to change your handle to Lloyd Christmas then. I do agree that this thread has been beaten to death though. No I'm betting on a competitive conference with no clear cut superior team, which is what the East sure looks like now. Every top team has come back to earth and they were never really that far apart to begin with since the Rangers have a winning record against most if not all of them so far Pets heads are definitely falling off.
Rangers4Life Posted January 24, 2018 Posted January 24, 2018 No I'm betting on a competitive conference with no clear cut superior team, which is what the East sure looks like now. Every top team has come back to earth and they were never really that far apart to begin with since the Rangers have a winning record against most if not all of them so far Pets heads are definitely falling off. That?s fine but come playoff time, the clear cut superior teams tend to make themselves known, I don?t think the Rangers are capable of doing that. Great clip with the pets heads.
Fatfrancesa Posted January 24, 2018 Posted January 24, 2018 So bet against Tampa but the rangers are a better bet? That’s funny
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