Puck Head Posted January 21, 2018 Posted January 21, 2018 Is that a serious question? How is trading 10 firsts rounders for one player, ANY player, even remotely close to not trading yourself out of the playoffs? Very serious question, because you mentioned it?s all about winning. My scenario above proves that long term health of organization and prospects are also important Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk
Long live the King Posted January 22, 2018 Posted January 22, 2018 Very serious question, because you mentioned it?s all about winning. My scenario above proves that long term health of organization and prospects are also important Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by TapatalkIt is all about winning. That's the whole point of playing. Your scenario is an unrealistic example of making a deal ridiculously above market value. Sent from my [device_name] using http://Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk
Puck Head Posted January 22, 2018 Posted January 22, 2018 It is all about winning. That's the whole point of playing. Your scenario is an unrealistic example of making a deal ridiculously above market value. Sent from my [device_name] using http://Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Your statement in regards to all about winning. It?s not a binary situation. Are you saying the only thing that matters is building the best team possible right now? Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk
Fatfrancesa Posted January 22, 2018 Posted January 22, 2018 Yes that is what he’s saying. I’ve tried to go down this path. That’s his opinion you’re wasting your time.
josh Posted January 22, 2018 Posted January 22, 2018 Your statement in regards to all about winning. It’s not a binary situation. Are you saying the only thing that matters is building the best team possible right now? Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk I think we have certain pieces now that "we" take for granted, that won't be recouped through the draft... ever. This team could go out in the first, or go to the cup finals. Additional draft picks don't guarantee anything. At least being in the playoffs mean there's a chance to compete. (And that's being pessimistic)
Puck Head Posted January 22, 2018 Posted January 22, 2018 I think we have certain pieces now that "we" take for granted, that won't be recouped through the draft... ever. This team could go out in the first, or go to the cup finals. Additional draft picks don't guarantee anything. At least being in the playoffs mean there's a chance to compete. (And that's being pessimistic) Additional draft picks guarantee a higher probability of adding future roster players. I?m assuming a fairly high percentage of current NHL players were selected in the draft. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk
josh Posted January 22, 2018 Posted January 22, 2018 Additional draft picks guarantee a higher probability of adding future roster players. I’m assuming a fairly high percentage of current NHL players were selected in the draft. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk waivers has a higher guarantee of higher probability of adding future roster players. It's about quality- and through the draft, its a complete crap-shoot. I'm not banking on that for anything, especially considering what we currently have.
Long live the King Posted January 22, 2018 Posted January 22, 2018 Additional draft picks guarantee a higher probability of adding future roster players. I?m assuming a fairly high percentage of current NHL players were selected in the draft. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by TapatalkI've posted, numerous times in this thread, teams drafting in the top 10 for over a decade that haven't had the success the Rangers have. Easiest way to say it. Would you rather be the Rangers or the Coyotes? They've had lots of high picks and a plethora of top notch prospects. Sent from my [device_name] using http://Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk
josh Posted January 22, 2018 Posted January 22, 2018 I've posted, numerous times in this thread, teams drafting in the top 10 for over a decade that haven't had the success the Rangers have. Easiest way to say it. Would you rather be the Rangers or the Coyotes? They've had lots of high picks and a plethora of top notch prospects. Sent from my [device_name] using http://Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk He's been a proponent of trade lundqvist and rebuild guy for the last decade. It's a mentality you cant change, regardless of the facts placed in front of you.
Puck Head Posted January 22, 2018 Posted January 22, 2018 He's been a proponent of trade lundqvist and rebuild guy for the last decade. It's a mentality you cant change, regardless of the facts placed in front of you. Who is ?he? Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk
Puck Head Posted January 22, 2018 Posted January 22, 2018 I've posted, numerous times in this thread, teams drafting in the top 10 for over a decade that haven't had the success the Rangers have. Easiest way to say it. Would you rather be the Rangers or the Coyotes? They've had lots of high picks and a plethora of top notch prospects. Sent from my [device_name] using http://Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Simply can?t compare organizations One is a place that financially struggles, and no free agents want to go to. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk
Long live the King Posted January 22, 2018 Posted January 22, 2018 Simply can?t compare organizations One is a place that financially struggles, and no free agents want to go to. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by TapatalkArizona isn't the only one. There are a lot. I've run the numbers on probably a dozen. Years of suck, tons of top 10 picks, only thing that saved them was being lucky enough to get the top pick in a draft with a generational talent. Sent from my [device_name] using http://Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk
Dunny Posted January 22, 2018 Posted January 22, 2018 If the Rangers ever pick first, you know it'll be an Andrea Bargnani year.
LindG1000 Posted January 22, 2018 Posted January 22, 2018 If the Rangers ever pick first, you know it'll be an Andrea Bargnani year. Probably, but outside of Oiler mismanagement of players, it's been a really long time since a 1st overall wasn't actually a pretty frigging great player. The last "regrettable" 1st overall is probably, who, Erik Johnson?
Dunny Posted January 22, 2018 Posted January 22, 2018 In a couple instances even the 2nd guy was generational.
Phil Posted January 22, 2018 Posted January 22, 2018 Probably, but outside of Oiler mismanagement of players, it's been a really long time since a 1st overall wasn't actually a pretty frigging great player. The last "regrettable" 1st overall is probably, who, Erik Johnson? Yakupov.
Sod16 Posted January 22, 2018 Posted January 22, 2018 I have a feeling that the going rate for Nash will be $5m for four years. I wouldn't offer more than $4m for three, which is a fair price for a guy you expect to score perhaps low 20s in goals while playing good defense. As it stands, we'll be five points out of the playoffs at the deadline, so it will make sense to make him the lesser offer and trade him if he doesn't take it.
Dunny Posted January 22, 2018 Posted January 22, 2018 I think you trade him regardless with the thought that if he really wants to come back he always can. I really think it's something the Rangers should be looking for both Grabner and Nash if this goes sideways this year. They can't spend as much money as they would like due to the cap but they can leverage their location and desirability of place-to-play.
The Dude Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 Probably, but outside of Oiler mismanagement of players, it's been a really long time since a 1st overall wasn't actually a pretty frigging great player. The last "regrettable" 1st overall is probably, who, Erik Johnson? Nail Yakopov.
LindG1000 Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 Yakupov. In trying to prove you wrong, I looked at the scouting reports from 2012 and man, was Yakupov hyped. Just...so bad how this draft ended up working out though. The best players were almost all defenders save Forsberg, and all got criminally under-ranked based on their performances. Kind of amusing, in hindsight.
josh Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 Would you guys be open to trading Nash and/or Grabner within the division? I could see NJ putting up a pretty penny for Nash, and Penguins being all over Grabner. (Even though Nash will sign with the Penguins during the offseason)
Phil Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 Would you guys be open to trading Nash and/or Grabner within the division? I could see NJ putting up a pretty penny for Nash, and Penguins being all over Grabner. (Even though Nash will sign with the Penguins during the offseason) Yup. I'd be offering Nash and/or Grabner to the Pens, for sure.
BrooksBurner Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 A lot of debate in this thread. In my opinion, there are only two logical paths. You either go for it or you rip the entire team apart. No in between. It would be incredibly pointless to make only one trade that would almost certainly cripple any kind of playoff chances this year. You don't trade Nash, Grabner, Zuccarello, or McDonagh unless your goal is to trade them all. Moving Nash and Grabner for 2nd round picks is not worth missing a playoff spot. Moving just Zuccarello or McDonagh, rather than both, is not committed enough to rebuilding and the return for just one of them would not be worth missing a playoff spot. I just hope Gorton picks a direction and goes all in with it. The in-between stuff will hurt us badly short term and not help us as much long term. We can't have it both ways.
BrooksBurner Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 Would you guys be open to trading Nash and/or Grabner within the division? I could see NJ putting up a pretty penny for Nash, and Penguins being all over Grabner. (Even though Nash will sign with the Penguins during the offseason) Yup. I'd be offering Nash and/or Grabner to the Pens, for sure. This question is for both of you. What do you think the realistic return is for Nash and Grabner?
Phil Posted January 23, 2018 Posted January 23, 2018 A first-round pick from a Contender. For each of them. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk
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