Fatfrancesa Posted January 19, 2018 Posted January 19, 2018 Just want to remind you that I did say some of the names could cost less than Miller. Drouin started the season at center, and I'm pretty sure Galchenyuk is a center. Foligno I think has been put through the ringer by Torts and it has ruined his confidence. I seem to remember Foligno and Nash really chumming it up at the Allstars podium a few years ago. He brings a solid all around game and can play any forward position. Brings some missing grit and leadership. RNH is definitely an interesting option. Just not crazy about the contract. Who do you think would cost less than miller?
Giacomin Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 Just want to remind you that I did say some of the names could cost less than Miller. Drouin started the season at center, and I'm pretty sure Galchenyuk is a center. Foligno I think has been put through the ringer by Torts and it has ruined his confidence. I seem to remember Foligno and Nash really chumming it up at the Allstars podium a few years ago. He brings a solid all around game and can play any forward position. Brings some missing grit and leadership. RNH is definitely an interesting option. Just not crazy about the contract. Funny you say that because the biggest critiques about Montreal on XM hockey radio and among the talking heads is that Galy and Drouin are not centers. Montreal has admitted publicly that Galy should not and will not play C and now they are saying they should not have forced Drouin to C and moved him too. Meanwhile all their beat writers say that it was obvious Drouin is not a C. Then during commentary just yesterday on Sirius XM they were saying Galy and Drouin played on the same line (past 2 games) and called them the worst players on the ice. Amazing. I'll take Foligno, but not at the cost of Miller or likely what it would take to get him. RNH I'd do.
Giacomin Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 Why not just trade miller for Mcdavid straight up. Then Hayes for Matthews. Fatty that's not fair. I offered Miller, a #1, a #3 and a top prospect for Trocheck. Future says too much, you imply too little. Must be just right. As for Barkov, I said he would cost more than that and is essentially untouchable. Just like McDavid, Mathews, Eichel, Gaudreau, Crosby, Stamkos, Kopitar and might as well add Barzal to that group.
Giacomin Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 Rnh our 6 weeks announced today Wow, thanks for the news. Will look it up. Edm might as well tank again. What is a bigger surprise this year, Edm shitting the bed or Vegas? Guess Miller sticks around a while longer.
The Dude Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 Who do you think would cost less than miller? Bozak, Spezza, Jenner, Zetterberg.
Fatfrancesa Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 Agree on all. Jenner might be straight up. Rangers shouldn’t touch any of those deals though
Fatfrancesa Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 Fatty that's not fair. I offered Miller, a #1, a #3 and a top prospect for Trocheck. Future says too much, you imply too little. Must be just right. As for Barkov, I said he would cost more than that and is essentially untouchable. Just like McDavid, Mathews, Eichel, Gaudreau, Crosby, Stamkos, Kopitar and might as well add Barzal to that group. I wasn’t talking about you’re offer. They don’t want to move trocheck but for what you offered they may think about it. That deal would be a killer for the rangers something that they should avoid in my
Giacomin Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 I wasn’t talking about you’re offer. They don’t want to move trocheck but for what you offered they may think about it. That deal would be a killer for the rangers something that they should avoid in my Wait Fatty, give me one more chance and let me put it another way. I made this proposal for you. Read slow and then tell me you don't like it. My proposal brings a fast dynamic Trocheck a 24 y/o righty C with 1C upside. [17G - 41P in 43G] 4.75 mil cap for 4.5 more years. A dream. The cost is essentially Miller, Nash and DD You get it right? You won't do that?
Fatfrancesa Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 Is it a fair trade yes. Would I do it no. I’d rather have the young talent and the picks. Barkov yes trocheck no. The prospect would have to big time in this deal for fla to want to do this. That type of prospect would either be chytil or Anderson maybe both. I dont know if you getting a better prospect then those two and a first for Nash. There is s good chance chytil is more dynamic in two three years. Anderson is already better in his own zone. Not a big fan of trocheck. He’s not a legit center. If he was fla wouldn’t be terrible
Fatfrancesa Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 Nash Prospects I target Vilardi Kings Glass or Suzuki Vegas Erickson ek or Kaprizov or greenway Wild Conner petan rozlivic Jets Bean hurricanes Lilegrean leafs Zboril Bruins
Fatfrancesa Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 Tampa Foote Cirelli Raddysh Nashville Kamenov Fabbro Tolevean Any of these prospects and their number 1 pick works
Fatfrancesa Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 And if I’m Gorton I make the call to each gm and tell them as much. I want one of these guys and your number 1. In the case of some I want a 3rd or a roster player with term or at least rfa status
Fatfrancesa Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 Scratch kamenov as he was traded during Duchene trade
Giacomin Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 Is it a fair trade yes. Would I do it no. I’d rather have the young talent and the picks. Barkov yes trocheck no. The prospect would have to big time in this deal for fla to want to do this. That type of prospect would either be chytil or Anderson maybe both. I dont know if you getting a better prospect then those two and a first for Nash. There is s good chance chytil is more dynamic in two three years. Anderson is already better in his own zone. Not a big fan of trocheck. He’s not a legit center. If he was fla wouldn’t be terrible Just to be clear, Andersson and Chytil have nothing to do with my proposal. I was working off the idea that Nash is worth a 1st and top tier prospect. That DD gets us a 3rd. Those returns would be packaged with Miller for that younger 2C with 1C potential. Maybe Trocheck is not as good as I think he is or about to be? The kind of C I'm talking about would be on a similar level as say Mark Scheifele, or what I think Brayden Point projects to be. Or a younger Logan Couture. Of course we are limited to teams that have a C surplus and would want to make a trade like that before the deadline. The Lightning and Jets are not moving those players. Hypothetically, let's assume Nashville (maybe Anaheim) might consider a 1st and top prospect for Nash. Doubt Vegas goes there. The Kings are likely to covet their paltry futures. Calgary and St Louis do not have a 1st. Assume Nash does not want Calgary anyway. Nashville could very well be picking near the very end of the 1st. Tolvanen has impressed in the KHL and Nashville is super high on him They basically have him penciled in to their top 6 next year. Doubt we can get their best prospect in this case. Kind of like Casey Middlestadt (another we could have drafted) who may be more like Tavares than some of us thought and is now the Sabres untouchable prospect. So we have to settle for Nashville's next best prospect. So hypothetically, would you rather have a late 3rd, Nashville's 29th pick, their 2nd best prospect and Miller. Or your preferred young 2C with upside? BTW, C is very hard to find. We had the 7th pick and we can only hope Andersson turns into Brayden Point in 2 years. So the idea in a nutshell is Nash, Miller and DD for that centerman we seek. Asking for more than that seems greedy. :)
Giacomin Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 Nash Prospects I target Vilardi Kings Glass or Suzuki Vegas Erickson ek or Kaprizov or greenway Wild Conner petan rozlivic Jets Bean hurricanes Lilegrean leafs Zboril Bruins Tampa - Foote Cirelli Raddysh I assume you are looking for prospects for the Rangers and not another team for a 3 way trade. Tampa has guys, and a GM who wins every trade. I cringe thinking we are quitting and sending them Nash. Another in conference rival, the Bruins, are loaded. Again, we'd really have to play like shit in the next few weeks. Love the Vegas kids especially Suzuki and Brannestrom, but they are in a weird spot. They may not be sellers now, but buying a pending UFA with those assets is unlikely. McPhee is probably holding those players no matter what, unless he sees something he doesn't like about them. The Jets and Wild are interesting possibilities. I'll have to take a deeper dive into their prospects.
The Dude Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 How does pro rating salary work at this point of the season for trades made? Does a high salary players contract have to end at the end of the season for them to fit under the cap? Meaning the Rangers hypotheticaly can afford to add Thornton and his 7 mill cap hit. But if he had one more year on his deal, can they still do it? With Nash technically off the books next year, it works cap wise. Just asking because I'm wondering if the Rangers can add Spezza who has one more year at a 7.5 cap hit, for pennies on the dollar. Or give a little value and have Dallas retain a big ass chunk of it. Hrs obviously not a top end player anymore, but I don't think he's as bad as his stats say. He's better than what the Rangers are currently putting out there as their #2 center. Maybe a reunion with Ruff could pick him back up. He's a vet and should be hungry to win a cup. It's bargain shopping if it works cap wise. I deserved many other avenues to go down if they consider going for it.
Giacomin Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 How does pro rating salary work at this point of the season for trades made? Does a high salary players contract have to end at the end of the season for them to fit under the cap? Meaning the Rangers hypotheticaly can afford to add Thornton and his 7 mill cap hit. But if he had one more year on his deal, can they still do it? With Nash technically off the books next year, it works cap wise. Just asking because I'm wondering if the Rangers can add Spezza who has one more year at a 7.5 cap hit, for pennies on the dollar. Or give a little value and have Dallas retain a big ass chunk of it. Hrs obviously not a top end player anymore, but I don't think he's as bad as his stats say. He's better than what the Rangers are currently putting out there as their #2 center. Maybe a reunion with Ruff could pick him back up. He's a vet and should be hungry to win a cup. It's bargain shopping if it works cap wise. I deserved many other avenues to go down if they consider going for it. Interesting idea with Spezza for peanuts, but Dallas is pretty good and probably wants him as part of a playoff run. They probably would not deal him for what we can afford, until the off season. Thornton ain't leaving SJ. The prorating is simple. Example: If a guy plays 2/3 the season elsewhere, we'd absorb 1/3 of the remaining cap hit this year.
Fatfrancesa Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 Just to be clear, Andersson and Chytil have nothing to do with my proposal. I was working off the idea that Nash is worth a 1st and top tier prospect. That DD gets us a 3rd. Those returns would be packaged with Miller for that younger 2C with 1C potential. Maybe Trocheck is not as good as I think he is or about to be? The kind of C I'm talking about would be on a similar level as say Mark Scheifele, or what I think Brayden Point projects to be. Or a younger Logan Couture. Of course we are limited to teams that have a C surplus and would want to make a trade like that before the deadline. The Lightning and Jets are not moving those players. Hypothetically, let's assume Nashville (maybe Anaheim) might consider a 1st and top prospect for Nash. Doubt Vegas goes there. The Kings are likely to covet their paltry futures. Calgary and St Louis do not have a 1st. Assume Nash does not want Calgary anyway. Nashville could very well be picking near the very end of the 1st. Tolvanen has impressed in the KHL and Nashville is super high on him They basically have him penciled in to their top 6 next year. Doubt we can get their best prospect in this case. Kind of like Casey Middlestadt (another we could have drafted) who may be more like Tavares than some of us thought and is now the Sabres untouchable prospect. So we have to settle for Nashville's next best prospect. So hypothetically, would you rather have a late 3rd, Nashville's 29th pick, their 2nd best prospect and Miller. Or your preferred young 2C with upside? BTW, C is very hard to find. We had the 7th pick and we can only hope Andersson turns into Brayden Point in 2 years. So the idea in a nutshell is Nash, Miller and DD for that centerman we seek. Asking for more than that seems greedy. :) I understood your proposal. What I’m saying is that the prospect you need to acquire has to be of that quality for Florida to even think about it. My point is if the prospect is that good I don’t know if I want to move him.
Fatfrancesa Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 Trading anything for spezza would totally be a ranger thing to do. Throwing away futures for nothing but a nice bone to the fans and their skyrocketing playoff ticket prices.
The Dude Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 Trading anything for spezza would totally be a ranger thing to do. Throwing away futures for nothing but a nice bone to the fans and their skyrocketing playoff ticket prices. God. Enough of the "Ranger thing to do" stuff. The discussion has shifted to ideas on how to improve the team. I'm sorry you want to do the opposite for this season. That's fine. But if you are going to say the same thing to anything that isn't trading away Nash and Grabner... I don't know. Maybe you could have some self control and not push the "same old Rangers" button. Christ, you asked who the Rangers could look at, that would cost less than Miller.. I'm giving an example. But you just have to go back to this stuff. Really? Playoff ticket prices now?
The Dude Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 Interesting idea with Spezza for peanuts, but Dallas is pretty good and probably wants him as part of a playoff run. They probably would not deal him for what we can afford, until the off season. Thornton ain't leaving SJ. The prorating is simple. Example: If a guy plays 2/3 the season elsewhere, we'd absorb 1/3 of the remaining cap hit this year. I brought up Thornton as an example of a guy with only this year left on the books. So is definitely in a good spot. Don't get why people were suggesting Couture as a target... Anyway, Spezza is having an awful season, and as someone mentioned he was a healthy scratch the other day. I'd think they would certainly entertain offers for him. Maybe a Nieves and a mid round pick could entice them? Maybe Graves? Nothing crazy. Nothing to devastate the franchise. 3rd rounder?
Phil Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 He also has multiple years left. Fuck that. Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk
Fatfrancesa Posted January 20, 2018 Posted January 20, 2018 God. Enough of the "Ranger thing to do" stuff. The discussion has shifted to ideas on how to improve the team. I'm sorry you want to do the opposite for this season. That's fine. But if you are going to say the same thing to anything that isn't trading away Nash and Grabner... I don't know. Maybe you could have some self control and not push the "same old Rangers" button. Christ, you asked who the Rangers could look at, that would cost less than Miller.. I'm giving an example. But you just have to go back to this stuff. Really? Playoff ticket prices now? Enough of you. My post is directed at how the rangers have run their team forever. I’m all for ideas in improving the team. I’m all for trades that have an outlook beyond this season. Yes I don’t want washed up over The Hill players at the expense of anything. Because yes that is the ranger thing to do. How about keeping your posts about the topic instead of about me? Talking about spezza, zetterburg, or the sedins is not some new concept. This franchise has long been the place to go to retire. Sorry you hate hearing the truth.
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