Guest Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 I know I'm in the minority, but I thought the refs got the call right. They're skating in hard, neither player is close to the puck nor had Borowiecki played it. Borowiecki does see Smith, but to me he's bracing for the contact, not delivering it. Given the speed they're skating at and that Borowiecki is on the boards side of the play, Smith has to hold up there. He initiates the contact, leaving his lane and exploding into a player who's going to be moving fast towards the boards and defensless. If the pucks there, it's a hockey play. With the puck not there, it's interference. And given the other variables, it's a 5 minute major and game. I don't think it warrants supplemental discipline because there's no intent, just a real bad judgement of the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers4Life Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Maybe Smith thought he was going to go at him and ended that he didn?t? I agree, no intent so doubt there?s anything that comes from it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Either way, Smith is still awful and whatever he had last Spring is long gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 I know I'm in the minority, but I thought the refs got the call right. They're skating in hard, neither player is close to the puck nor had Borowiecki played it. Borowiecki does see Smith, but to me he's bracing for the contact, not delivering it. Given the speed they're skating at and that Borowiecki is on the boards side of the play, Smith has to hold up there. He initiates the contact, leaving his lane and exploding into a player who's going to be moving fast towards the boards and defensless. If the pucks there, it's a hockey play. With the puck not there, it's interference. And given the other variables, it's a 5 minute major and game. I don't think it warrants supplemental discipline because there's no intent, just a real bad judgement of the situation. 100 % accurate. You can't hit a player from that distance to the boards either. Not intentionally dirty though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Also, Sam and Joe are so bad at names I had to go back to NHL.com and look to see if there was some Berezinski I had never heard of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 100 % accurate. You can't hit a player from that distance to the boards either. Not intentionally dirty though. What do you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 It's boarding, though I still think Borowiecki initiated contact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Joe Micheletti was saying that it shouldn't have been a penalty at all, which is simply not credible and makes me lose respect for his opinions. He kept on saying that the players were looking at each other. So what. As a practical matter, some jostling is permitted under those circumstances but not a full out check, which is what Smith did. Five minutes for interference is unusual. Is that saying that if the puck had been five feet from the boards and Smith had laid that hit on him when they reached the puck and the player then slid into the boards there would have been no penalty? I guess so, even though that hit would have been no less dangerous. My point is, if you have two hits of equal danger, with the player knowing he's about to be hit, I don't see how one can be a five, while the other is a two or nothing, simply because the former constituted interference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Joe Micheletti was saying that it shouldn't have been a penalty at all, which is simply not credible and makes me lose respect for his opinions. He kept on saying that the players were looking at each other. So what. As a practical matter, some jostling is permitted under those circumstances but not a full out check, which is what Smith did. Five minutes for interference is unusual. Is that saying that if the puck had been five feet from the boards and Smith had laid that hit on him when they reached the puck and the player then slid into the boards there would have been no penalty? I guess so, even though that hit would have been no less dangerous. My point is, if you have two hits of equal danger, with the player knowing he's about to be hit, I don't see how one can be a five, while the other is a two or nothing, simply because the former constituted interference. Joe can get overly emotional when the calls can be game changers (major penalties, dis/allowed goals, etc). I grew up with this being a good, necessary play. Make contact, get in position to get in and get the puck, quickly, establish yourself, etc. That was taken out of the game years ago. Now, they might let you get in a little bump, but ONLY when its clear that both players are engaging oneanother. If one "wins" the physical battle, its usually a call. And, with most plays nowdays, any injury will also result in a penalty, or additional time. I'm ok with the play. I think the 5 + game was a bit excessive. But, so was Smith's force. He'd get away with a bump, but he leveled the guy at a bad spot on the ice. If he gets 2 min for that, no big deal. Ill take it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatfrancesa Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Not sure if anyone noticed this too but the prior shift borowiecki took a run on mcd and mcd looked like he was hurt. It was a high heavy hit that should have drawn a call. Surely smith and everyone knows that guys reputation for being a little belligerent physically. Maybe he was a little excessive in his contact but it could have been him protecting himself or even a dose of payback for him running his teammate. Probably not but just a thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 no, i didnt notice... and i usually notice (and comment) about McDonagh's inability to take a hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 What do you mean? I mean he didn't intent to injure him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 I mean he didn't intent to injure him. Oh, yea. Sorry, meant to bold, but I was referring to "You can't hit a player from that distance to the boards either." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 Oh, yea. Sorry, meant to bold, but I was referring to "You can't hit a player from that distance to the boards either." A hit from 4-6 feet from the boards is boarding and is dangerous. Some rinks have put a warning track around the ice already. Probably won't see it in the NHL until someone gets seriously injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers4Life Posted November 20, 2017 Share Posted November 20, 2017 It's boarding, though I still think Borowiecki initiated contact. That?s the way I saw, it?s almost like he backed off and Smith rocked him, not realizing he was backing off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzy Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 It looked scary for sure, but I just see it as just 2 guys going for the puck and they both initiated contact. I agree about the 4-6 feet from the boards is a tough spot to do that type of thing, but that's where the puck was. Either way, it's nice not to be on the receiving end of that shit for a change! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers4Life Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Ryan McDonagh out tomorrow with an abdominal strain, funny how they report that but they wouldn?t report a Brendan Smith injury. Oh that?s right, he never had one to begin with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Brandon Smith was out 8 games due to abdominal expansion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers4Life Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 I stand corrected, must?ve also pulled a bicep muscle putting back the suds for that expansion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LONG LONG LONG TIME FAN Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Even tho' this is a Brendan Smith thread, here is the bonafide info pertaining to the NYR Captain. Bonafide as reported by the news media. Hopefully it is accurate and he is not " out of shape". Ryan McDonagh out for Rangers vs. Hurricanes GREENBURGH, N.Y. ? Rangers captain Ryan McDonagh has an abdominal strain and the defenseman will not play against the Hurricanes in Carolina on Wednesday night. The defenseman, who will miss his first game this season, did not practice Tuesday. His most recent partner on the blueline, Nick Holden, skated with Brendan Smith. https://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/rangers/ryan-mcdonagh-injury-1.15085436 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers4Life Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Because they always hold players out of practice when they are out of shape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Yup. They, much like the fans, know what they are told; which most probably isn't everything. Radio color man. Nothing more. Who knows if he was embellishing his time at the " practice rink " or what actually he was told. It's his version. After all, Dave Maloney was once a NYR, a Capt. and is a loyalist like all the employees. Not knowing drek about the situation, other than the fact that Smith isn't playing, it appears as if the NYR are being deliberately silent. Almost as if they are protecting his privacy. Yup. DON Maloney it was. Age didn't mess with memory on this end. So Smith told DAVE, not DON Maloney that he, Smith was out of shape, and DAVE related it on the radio for all the world to hear. Dave must've been hallucinating from one too many suds. Yup. They, much like the fans, know what they are told; which most probably isn't everything. Radio color man. Nothing more. Who knows if he was embellishing his time at the " practice rink " or what actually he was told. It's his version. After all, Dave Maloney was once a NYR, a Capt. and is a loyalist like all the employees. Not knowing drek about the situation, other than the fact that Smith isn't playing, it appears as if the NYR are being deliberately silent. Almost as if they are protecting his privacy. Pretty contradictory... Even tho' this is a Brendan Smith thread, here is the bonafide info pertaining to the NYR Captain. Bonafide as reported by the news media. Hopefully it is accurate and he is not " out of shape". Ryan McDonagh out for Rangers vs. Hurricanes GREENBURGH, N.Y. ? Rangers captain Ryan McDonagh has an abdominal strain and the defenseman will not play against the Hurricanes in Carolina on Wednesday night. The defenseman, who will miss his first game this season, did not practice Tuesday. His most recent partner on the blueline, Nick Holden, skated with Brendan Smith. https://www.newsday.com/sports/hockey/rangers/ryan-mcdonagh-injury-1.15085436 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LONG LONG LONG TIME FAN Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 It's sarcasm, dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leetchy2 Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Ryan McDonagh out tomorrow with an abdominal strain, funny how they report that but they wouldn’t report a Brendan Smith injury. Oh that’s right, he never had one to begin with. I'm certainly not a conspiracy theorist, but ... there was a play against Ottawa where MacD got crunched into the boards sideways behind the goal line. It was a clean hard check and at that moment I thought there goes his shoulder. MacD looked a little hurt but obviously continued to play. So I wonder if it's really an abdominal strain or if they're hiding a shoulder injury that's had a long history of issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dude Posted November 22, 2017 Author Share Posted November 22, 2017 Either way, Smith is still awful and whatever he had last Spring is long gone. How's he been awful? I think he's skating pretty well with the puck and makes better decisions with the puck than any of the D men not named Skjei. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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