4EverRangerFrank Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 How long does it take to get back in shape? I seriously doubt the guy sat around eating Taco Bell and drinking beers every day. I get that others are playing well and it?s tough to slot him in. So, how long? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sg3 Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Over this six game great stretch of hockey Holden and especially Kampfer have been up there with the best of the NYR backliners. I'd rank them Skjei, Shattenkirk Kampfer, Staal, Holden, McDonough, Sent from my LG-H830 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Over this six game great stretch of hockey Holden and especially Kampfer have been up there with the best of the NYR backliners. I'd rank them Skjei, Shattenkirk Kampfer, Staal, Holden, McDonough, Sent from my LG-H830 using Tapatalk Ouch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 How long does it take to get back in shape? I seriously doubt the guy sat around eating Taco Bell and drinking beers every day. I get that others are playing well and it’s tough to slot him in. So, how long? It could take a month to get your game legs back. Remember, the majority of the league is skating and training all off season. Training camp isn't to get you back in shape. You better show up to training camp IN shape already. A coach will do some conditioning, but most of it is to test you to see if you working out all off season, or eating oreos for 5 months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LONG LONG LONG TIME FAN Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Might the guy be injured? Nah. Not a chance in hell. Doubt it is all about partying, eating nachos, swilling suds not working out, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers4Life Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 If he was injured, wouldn?t it be better for the organization to say that to save face from giving him that contract and having him sit? Nah, not a chance in hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 How long does it take to get back in shape? I seriously doubt the guy sat around eating Taco Bell and drinking beers every day. I get that others are playing well and it?s tough to slot him in. So, how long? I bet he gets back in soon. Sometime this week, whether they lose or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4EverRangerFrank Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 He provided the grit we were missing last year on the Blue Line. I wouldn?t mind some of that this season. We?re winning and I?m not complaining. It?s obvious though that we are not a ?bodywork? team. Having a guy who doesn?t mind banging, especially with opposing players in front of Hank would be a much welcomed addition IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 If he was injured, wouldn’t it be better for the organization to say that to save face from giving him that contract and having him sit? Nah, not a chance in hell. If it's not just his conditioning, I would lean to a medical health issue before an injury. It just doesn't make sense to hide an injury of Brendan Smith in October. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers4Life Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 If it's not just his conditioning, I would lean to a medical health issue before an injury. It just doesn't make sense to hide an injury of Brendan Smith in October. Exactly, it?s not like it?s the playoffs and he has a ?lower body? injury. I?m just tired of this troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted November 12, 2017 Share Posted November 12, 2017 Exactly, it’s not like it’s the playoffs and he has a “lower body” injury. I’m just tired of this troll. Why are you wasting your time ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giacomin Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 If it's not just his conditioning, I would lean to a medical health issue before an injury. It just doesn't make sense to hide an injury of Brendan Smith in October. It was definitely conditioning. This specious speculation of a hidden injury is ridiculous. Most here know not to start unfounded rumors based on nothing. One last time, for the benefit of those who missed it the first few times. I heard Dave Maloney discuss the situation clearly and tactfully on radio and the pregame, myself. Not a rumor. He was not bashing him, more like informing the radio host what he had learned from spending time at the practice facilities, speaking to everyone, including Smith. He said, Smith admitted his struggles at the end of shifts and said he screwed up thinking all his weight training was sufficiently keeping him in shape. Essentially, he fooled himself into thinking he was in good "cardio" condition. This isn't some nuanced detective story. Occam's Razor in effect. Smith showed he was out of condition. It was noticeable to everyone, at the end of shifts. Smith's fault. A few goals resulted from a player getting by him or by not getting back quick enough. AV felt justified to bench him. Since this is punishment, consequences for a professional omission, Smith sits until the team loses. Whether it was an innocent oversight or a lazy one, it should not happen. Therefore, until a loss, injury or another Dman shits the bed, Smith has to deal with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatfrancesa Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 Exactly right. He has no one to blame but himself. Being an nhl player and cashing millions each year is a 12 month 365 day job. Being out of shape or better yet poorly conditioned compared to your peers is a player not doing his job. He can't complain this is a product of him not putting in the work in the offseason while his teammates who he battles for ice time did. Nothing for him to do now but get in shape and wait his turn. When that times comes he needs to force them to keep him there. You can't understate here that this is not an issue the rangers want to deal with. They want him in the lineup. They just invested a lot of money believing in this player. The rangers have egg on their face here too. All of this was caused by smiths lack of professionalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted November 13, 2017 Share Posted November 13, 2017 It was definitely conditioning. This specious speculation of a hidden injury is ridiculous. Most here know not to start unfounded rumors based on nothing. One last time, for the benefit of those who missed it the first few times. I heard Dave Maloney discuss the situation clearly and tactfully on radio and the pregame, myself. Not a rumor. He was not bashing him, more like informing the radio host what he had learned from spending time at the practice facilities, speaking to everyone, including Smith. He said, Smith admitted his struggles at the end of shifts and said he screwed up thinking all his weight training was sufficiently keeping him in shape. Essentially, he fooled himself into thinking he was in good "cardio" condition. This isn't some nuanced detective story. Occam's Razor in effect. Smith showed he was out of condition. It was noticeable to everyone, at the end of shifts. Smith's fault. A few goals resulted from a player getting by him or by not getting back quick enough. AV felt justified to bench him. Since this is punishment, consequences for a professional omission, Smith sits until the team loses. Whether it was an innocent oversight or a lazy one, it should not happen. Therefore, until a loss, injury or another Dman shits the bed, Smith has to deal with it. I wasn't second guessing it. I was trying to be nice and add a possible twist while ignoring others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giacomin Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 I wasn't second guessing it. I was trying to be nice and add a possible twist while ignoring others. My apologies Mikey, I was not directing this at you. I realized you were also saying it would be silly to conspire to hide an injury to Smith in October, where he has missed 5 games now. Like you I was reiterating that his status is not due to injury, for those unwilling to accept the validity of Dave Maloney's reporting or my relaying of his reports. Why would he make the whole story up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 My apologies Mikey, I was not directing this at you. I realized you were also saying it would be silly to conspire to hide an injury to Smith in October, where he has missed 5 games now. Like you I was reiterating that his status is not due to injury, for those unwilling to accept the validity of Dave Maloney's reporting or my relaying of his reports. Why would he make the whole story up? He wouldn't. That's why it's ignorant to challenge a respected analyst who has had his finger on the pulse of this team for umpteen years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LONG LONG LONG TIME FAN Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 If he was injured, wouldn’t it be better for the organization to say that to save face from giving him that contract and having him sit? Nah, not a chance in hell. There are injuries & there are " injuries". Nah. There's not a chance in hell that it's about saving face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 He wouldn't. That's why it's ignorant to challenge a respected analyst who has had his finger on the pulse of this team for umpteen years. I mean, for all we know he has herpes and can't play lol I agree with you in this case, but beat writers don't necessarily know everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LONG LONG LONG TIME FAN Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Yup. They, much like the fans, know what they are told; which most probably isn't everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 I mean, for all we know he has herpes and can't play lol I agree with you in this case, but beat writers don't necessarily know everything. Dave Maloney isn't a beat writer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Dave Maloney isn't a beat writer. Reporter. Whatever. Point is the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LONG LONG LONG TIME FAN Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Radio color man. Nothing more. Who knows if he was embellishing his time at the " practice rink " or what actually he was told. It's his version. After all, Dave Maloney was once a NYR, a Capt. and is a loyalist like all the employees. Not knowing drek about the situation, other than the fact that Smith isn't playing, it appears as if the NYR are being deliberately silent. Almost as if they are protecting his privacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Is he practicing every day ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Reporter. Whatever. Point is the same. Mike, 2 years ago I posted on here the exact play by play on Zuc's injury after taking a puck off the head. Nothing was out in the media about his injury, and after it was revealed when the season was over it turned out I was 100% accurate. Agree? Ok, so if I knew exactly what happened to a Ranger before it came out publicly, why are we doubting Dave Maloney? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Future Posted November 14, 2017 Share Posted November 14, 2017 Mike, 2 years ago I posted on here the exact play by play on Zuc's injury after taking a puck off the head. Nothing was out in the media about his injury, and after it was revealed when the season was over it turned out I was 100% accurate. Agree? Ok, so if I knew exactly what happened to a Ranger before it came out publicly, why are we doubting Dave Maloney? I'm not. I already said I agree with you in this case. I also don't doubt that a reporter/beat writer or whoever is telling the truth to the best of their knowledge, but I don't believe that they're told everything, unequivocally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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