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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Jimmy View Post
    Exactly. You don't go after him, you go for the money guys, Ovechkin, Backstrom, Carlson, Oshie etc... lay one of those guys out for an extended period of time and watch how fast Caps management calls Wilson on the carpet and tells him to cut the shit. I wouldn't be surprised if his own teammates are telling him to knock it off since it's putting the targets on their backs and not necessarily his.
    Yeah, that's not happening. Not with the Rangers, at least. The Caps knew exactly what they could do after this, which was score four straight goals and win. Wilson even took a huge run at Rooney, I think, on his first or second shift at the start of the third period. Because he can. Because no one can stop him.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuck_IV View Post
    Bruised ego? Man, you gotta pay attention the game better. He basically could have legitimately KILLED Panarin last night. Grabbing his hair so Panarin had no control of his head. Thankfully his shoulder hit first(he still had a gash on his head).

    The league really must take a serious stance on this guy now. Iím not talking just the playoffs, Iím talking season(s). He came within inches of potentially killing someone.


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    Oh thanks, I must have missed that play. I'll pay more attention next time.

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    At some point, if the league won't step in, there isn't much the Rangers or other teams can do about this, short of going back to the enforcer system, stocking the roster with goons, and having regular donnybrooks. If that's what the league wants, that's what it will get. The fact that the Caps laughed it all off and Wilson hammed it up in the box should certainly be considered in assessing punishment. It won't. After all, boys will be boys. They sucker punch guys lying face down on the ice. They grab guys by the hair and slam them to the ice. It's just boys. Let the boys play.

    As for Wilson, bringing in goons to fight him won't deter him. He does pretty well in bouts with goons. The only thing to do is suspend him for a year, as the league once did with Ted Green long ago. Also, watch the players association come to Wilson's defense. Who are Buchnevich and Panarin? Are they members? Nah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morphinity View Post
    Oh thanks, I must have missed that play. I'll pay more attention next time.
    Can't believe you missed it bro. How can you call yourself a real fan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoMinutesForNothing View Post
    How does nobody challenge him after that? Season is over anyway. Just light him up. I don't understand? Do we have no heart? Honest question, do you think if Sam Bennett was here he just lets that happen and finishes the game? Would he have made a difference? Was he that kind of guy and we missed out?

    Is there anyone out there who can actually play that can change how soft we are? Avery would always make teams pay for something like that by going nuts on their guys after? They would have to answer and not want to deal with it. We don't need somebody to knock out Wilson, we just need somebody with a pulse and some heart and some balls. Even Zuc would have done more than what we saw today.

    How do you do nothing? Like, board Niklas Backstrom. Put him on a gurney, I don't care. Then Wilson learns some type of lesson. He just made us his bitches then mocked us and we did nothing. So soft.
    Well. They benched a guy for slamming the penalty box door. Says a lot about the mindset of the coach and GM. No emotion allowed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    Well. They benched a guy for slamming the penalty box door. Says a lot about the mindset of the coach and GM. No emotion allowed.
    Oh c'mon. Give it up already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    Oh c'mon. Give it up already.
    I mean... they did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    I mean... they did.
    Yup, totally an isolated incident and no surrounding circumstances led to that. I can't roll my eyes harder that we're still having this conversation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    Well. They benched a guy for slamming the penalty box door. Says a lot about the mindset of the coach and GM. No emotion allowed.
    It's a valid point to be honest. One of only two guys with any kind of temper. The other one got traded to LAK. You get rid of everyone with balls and stuff like this is a result.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    Well. They benched a guy for slamming the penalty box door. Says a lot about the mindset of the coach and GM. No emotion allowed.
    Yeah, they should have had DeAngelo on the ice so we'd have had three players get their asses handed to them by Tom Wilson instead of two!

    Guy loses a one-punch fight with his backup goalie and we're bringing this back up in a thread around an opponent crossing a line that gets crossed like once a decade in the league. As if somehow not planning for an opponent having a psychotic breakdown on the ice is the fault of anyone but the player who had the breakdown.

    Deterrence DOES NOT WORK with this guy. He'd have done this to Mark Stone, even if Reaves was right there. He'd have done it to Gaudreau even with Tkachuk. Pretending anything changes that outcome is folly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmc51 View Post
    Can't believe you missed it bro. How can you call yourself a real fan?
    I close my eyes when I sense violence is about to happen. Just like the Rangers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    Oh c'mon. Give it up already.
    Well? It showed all season. Traded their only grit forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G1000 View Post
    Yeah, they should have had DeAngelo on the ice so we'd have had three players get their asses handed to them by Tom Wilson instead of two!

    Guy loses a one-punch fight with his backup goalie and we're bringing this back up in a thread around an opponent crossing a line that gets crossed like once a decade in the league. As if somehow not planning for an opponent having a psychotic breakdown on the ice is the fault of anyone but the player who had the breakdown.

    Deterrence DOES NOT WORK with this guy. He'd have done this to Mark Stone, even if Reaves was right there. He'd have done it to Gaudreau even with Tkachuk. Pretending anything changes that outcome is folly.
    No, the ex/mods are.

    The slamming of the door was brought up.

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    For the general reputation Russians have of being these scary tough guys, how are 95% of the hockey players they produce so soft?
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    DeAngelo and Lemieux aren't changing the outcome. They're too small to make a difference. Both would have had their faces handed to them in a cup. I'm all for adding some protection to the team, but it needs to meet the height requirements to even ride the roller coaster in order to be effective.

    There's a reason Wilson runs amok and goes largely unchallenged — there's effectively a small handful of guys left in the league who can actually go toe-to-toe with him. Basically, Ryan Reaves, who coincidentally has just one year remaining on his deal (1.75 mil).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Bateman View Post
    For the general reputation Russians have of being these scary tough guys, how are 95% of the hockey players they produce so soft?
    idk, why are Canadians such bitches off the ice?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    DeAngelo and Lemieux aren't changing the outcome. They're too small to make a difference. Both would have had their faces handed to them in a cup. I'm all for adding some protection to the team, but it needs to meet the height requirements to even ride the roller coaster in order to be effective.

    There's a reason Wilson runs amok and goes largely unchallenged — there's effectively a small handful of guys left in the league who can actually go toe-to-toe with him. Basically, Ryan Reaves, who coincidentally has just one year remaining on his deal (1.75 mil).

    “I am the solution to your Tom Wilson problem.”
    I'd much rather have someone focusing on/running Lemieux than Panarin or Buchnevich.

    Avery wasnt a heavy weight enforcer, but he took the attention. Not only that, he had emotion that spread throughout the team and showed on the ice.



    I don't think we can look at last night, thought. It's been an issue all season. Lack of toughness, will, balls, etc. Last night was just the cherry on top.

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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    I'd much rather have someone focusing on/running Lemieux than Panarin or Buchnevich.

    Avery wasnt a heavy weight enforcer, but he took the attention. Not only that, he had emotion that spread throughout the team and showed on the ice.



    I don't think we can look at last night, thought. It's been an issue all season. Lack of toughness, will, balls, etc. Last night was just the cherry on top.
    Oh, I don't disagree with the sentiment, and you know that. I just disagree that in this instance either of them would actually have made a tangible difference. Right attitude, wrong size.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sod16 View Post
    At some point, if the league won't step in, there isn't much the Rangers or other teams can do about this, short of going back to the enforcer system, stocking the roster with goons, and having regular donnybrooks. If that's what the league wants, that's what it will get. The fact that the Caps laughed it all off and Wilson hammed it up in the box should certainly be considered in assessing punishment. It won't. After all, boys will be boys. They sucker punch guys lying face down on the ice. They grab guys by the hair and slam them to the ice. It's just boys. Let the boys play.

    As for Wilson, bringing in goons to fight him won't deter him. He does pretty well in bouts with goons. The only thing to do is suspend him for a year, as the league once did with Ted Green long ago. Also, watch the players association come to Wilson's defense. Who are Buchnevich and Panarin? Are they members? Nah.
    I gotta say, watching that shit last night reminded me of the days when I was a kid around 7 or 8 years old and watched the Flyers guys like Kelly, Schultz, Holmgren, Bridgeman and the rest run over the Rangers. I watched Schultz rag doll Dale Rolfe, who wasn't even a fighter, and basically beat the shit out of him while the rest of the team just watched.

    With the exception of the team under Keenan, and probably Torts, the Rangers have never been the team to "be afraid of".

    I'm kinda at a crossroads with this one, because if you leave it to the NHL to levy justice I just don't think the punishment is ever going to equal the crime. But the question that comes to mind is that if you have a guy like Reeves on the team, does this shit go as far as we saw last night?

    I'm curious to see what the NHL does about this one; Simply put, if the NHL decides to go easy on Wilson, and make it a slap on the wrist, they basically are making other teams employ enforcers again to do the real police work. I think everyone's watching this one closely though.

    One thing is for sure though; When Matt Martin took out Trouba, all the air went out of the team, and the Rangers went down like a $3 hooker in that game.

    Wilson basically shreds an entire 5 man, and the Rangers cough up 4 consecutive goals to lose...only to surrender an empty netter to the guy who pissed all over them.

    Maybe there is a place for enforcers again in the NHL???
    Maybe we've come full circle???

    Whatever decision the NHL makes on this is going to be very interesting. It actually comes at a very good time in that as the Rangers continue to build, their eyes will be wide open as to what to employ to help, and possibly bring in a very dangerous deterrent "watch dog" as insurance for these young talented kids.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    I gotta say, watching that shit last night reminded me of the days when I was a kid around 7 or 8 years old and watched the Flyers guys like Kelly, Schultz, Holmgren, Bridgeman and the rest run over the Rangers. I watched Schultz rag doll Dale Rolfe, who wasn't even a fighter, and basically beat the shit out of him while the rest of the team just watched.

    With the exception of the team under Keenan, and probably Torts, the Rangers have never been the team to "be afraid of".

    I'm kinda at a crossroads with this one, because if you leave it to the NHL to levy justice I just don't think the punishment is ever going to equal the crime. But the question that comes to mind is that if you have a guy like Reeves on the team, does this shit go as far as we saw last night?

    I'm curious to see what the NHL does about this one; Simply put, if the NHL decides to go easy on Wilson, and make it a slap on the wrist, they basically are making other teams employ enforcers again to do the real police work. I think everyone's watching this one closely though.

    One thing is for sure though; When Matt MArtin took out Trouba, all the air went out of the team, and the Rangers went down like a $3 hooker in that game.

    Wilson basically shreds an entire 5 man, and the Rangers cough up 4 consecutive goals to lose...only to surrender and empty netter to the guy who pissed all over them.

    Maybe there is a place for enforcers aging in the NHL???
    Maybe we've come full circle???

    Whatever decision the NHL makes on this is going to be very interesting. It actually comes at a very good time in that as the Rangers continue to build, their eyes will be wide open as to what to employ to help, and possibly a very dangerous deterrent "watch dog" as insurance for these young talented kids.
    I think it's why JD/Gorton drafted guys like Cuylle and Robertson and traded up to get Schneider. They know the Rangers need it and I expect them to dip into free agency to address it as well. You beat me to it on the Rolfe scenario. The Rangers, overall, have never really been known for their physicality. Historically they've been built based upon skill and speed.

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