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Rangers Manage Expectations After Adding Panarin, Trouba, Kakko


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So has buchnevich been a success up to this point?

 

Given his draft position 6 years ago, his age, the number of games he’s played and where he is developmentally, I’d say he’s been a modest success thus far.

 

Successful enough at least to earn himself 2 more seasons at a significant raise and in a good position to really do well for himself moving forward.

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serious question is Fox really that much of a given? It sure seems like he's a slam dunk and we're already looking far down the road at what his next contract might be. I just hope it doesn't turn out to be wishful thinking and would like to see him play at least a shift before we anoint him a top 4 NHL dman.

 

No. His defensive game is... umm, “developing”

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He's been an in=betweener which is why he got a bridge deal.

 

Why does everything have to be black and white?

 

It doesn’t and I agree with his contract and your description of him. I’m just bringing it up because all these guys on elcs don’t have to defined as success or busts at age 22 or younger. Many of them could and probably will fall in between. When they do the rangers may have to decide on players who are still babies. That’s all. Many are posting here the black and white nature of them being either great and it being a good problem or them being bad and not having to worry about paying them because they are a bust. It’s naive as you say. It won’t be so black and white.

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It doesn?t and I agree with his contract and your description of him. I?m just bringing it up because all these guys on elcs don?t have to defined as success or busts at age 22 or younger. Many of them could and probably will fall in between. When they do the rangers may have to decide on players who are still babies. That?s all. Many are posting here the black and white nature of them being either great and it being a good problem or them being bad and not having to worry about paying them because they are a bust. It?s naive as you say. It won?t be so black and white.
Which is why bridge deals exist. You're still not showing what the problem is.

 

Maybe spend 5 minutes on Cap Friendly like I did and create a roster. I showed it was completely doable to make a 2021 roster where some players like Buch and ADA got overpaid and we still had plenty of room.

 

No one else has. People throw around half thought numbers. Show the math...

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Dunny did exactly that and you blew it off. Why waste my time.
For maybe the tenth time in this thread... He did not.

 

If he did, please link me to the post with a Cap Friendly chart. Not a random list of numbers with no cap associated to it.

 

I'll save you time. There isn't one.

 

Show the grid with the math.

 

I'll save you the time. You can't. Because there is no cap trouble.

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21-22

 

Cap $85m

 

Panarin 11.6

Zibanejad 5.35

Buch 5.5

Chytil 5

Anderson 3

Howden 3

Kravtsov 1

Kakko 1

Trouba 8

Skeij 5.25

Fox 1

2 goalies 8

Buyouts 2.54

Bonuses 3.5

 

Total $63.74m. 8 forwards 3 defenseman, 2 goalies.

21.26m remaining for 6 forwards and 4 defenseman.

 

The following year is the big problem with Zibanejad a ufa and kakko Fox Kravtsov all rfas. By that point Zibanejad will be aroond $10m a year and kakko could be more. Kravtsov and fox could both be bridged but if signed long term 6-8m each.

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21-22

 

Cap $85m

 

Panarin 11.6

Zibanejad 5.35

Buch 5.5

Chytil 5

Anderson 3

Howden 3

Kravtsov 1

Kakko 1

Trouba 8

Skeij 5.25

Fox 1

2 goalies 8

Buyouts 2.54

Bonuses 3.5

 

Total $63.74m. 8 forwards 3 defenseman, 2 goalies.

21.26m remaining for 6 forwards and 4 defenseman.

 

The following year is the big problem with Zibanejad a ufa and kakko Fox Kravtsov all rfas. By that point Zibanejad will be aroond $10m a year and kakko could be more. Kravtsov and fox could both be bridged but if signed long term 6-8m each.

 

That doesn’t look like much of a cap problem to me. The roster would be drastically worse without Panarin and Trouba.

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21-22

 

Cap $85m

 

Panarin 11.6

Zibanejad 5.35

Buch 5.5

Chytil 5

Anderson 3

Howden 3

Kravtsov 1

Kakko 1

Trouba 8

Skeij 5.25

Fox 1

2 goalies 8

Buyouts 2.54

Bonuses 3.5

 

Total $63.74m. 8 forwards 3 defenseman, 2 goalies.

21.26m remaining for 6 forwards and 4 defenseman.

 

The following year is the big problem with Zibanejad a ufa and kakko Fox Kravtsov all rfas. By that point Zibanejad will be aroond $10m a year and kakko could be more. Kravtsov and fox could both be bridged but if signed long term 6-8m each.

 

Chytil making 5 means we don't have to upgrade center.

 

Why are our 2 goalies making 8? Just asking who they are and their hit.

 

Again, all up against a very conservative $85 cap.

 

At that point you also probably move out Skjei.

 

Not seeing the problem.

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I think Skjei gets exposed in the expansion draft unless he really takes big steps over the next two seasons. By that point Miller should be making his debut and at least one or two of Hajek, Lindgren, Rykov, Reunanen, etc. should hopefully be pushing for higher roster spots with considerable pro experience. Wouldn’t shock me if Robertson also enters the running.
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2022-23 if everyone goes off

 

CapFriendly.com Armchair-GM User-Generated Roster

 

FORWARDS (13)

Right wing: Kaapo Kakko ($8,700,000) - Vitali Kravtsov ($7,250,000) - Pavel Buchnevich ($6,000,000) - Lauri Pajuniemi ($925,000)

Centre: Mika Zibanejad ($10,700,000) - Filip Chytil ($5,500,000) - Brett Howden ($3,600,000) - Karl Henriksson ($925,000)

Left wing: Artemi Panarin ($11,642,857) - Lias Andersson ($3,900,000) - Brendan Smith ($4,500,000) - Brendan Lemieux ($3,500,000) - Morgan Barron ($925,000)

 

DEFENSE (7)

Right: Jacob Trouba ($8,000,000) - Anthony Deangelo ($6,600,000) - Adam Fox ($4,000,000)

Left: K'Andre Miller ($925,000) - Libor H?jek ($2,800,000) - Yegor Rykov ($2,500,000) - Brady Skjei ($5,250,000)

 

GOALTENDER (2)

Alexandar Georgiev ($5,600,000) - Igor Shesterkin ($2,800,000)

 

 

 

DETAILS

Roster Size: 22

Salary Cap: $90,000,000

Cap Hit: $109,762,301

Cap Space: -$19,762,301

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"Average performance" salaries

 

CapFriendly.com Armchair-GM User-Generated Roster

 

FORWARDS (13)

Right wing: Kaapo Kakko ($4,250,000) - Vitali Kravtsov ($3,600,000) - Lauri Pajuniemi ($825,000) - Cristoval Nieves ($1,400,000)

Centre: Mika Zibanejad ($8,600,000) - Filip Chytil ($3,000,000) - Karl Henriksson ($870,000) - Brett Howden ($2,500,000)

Left wing: Artemi Panarin ($11,642,857) - Lias Andersson ($2,000,000) - Morgan Barron ($800,000) - Brendan Lemieux ($2,500,000) - Leevi Aaltonen ($825,000)

 

DEFENSE (7)

Right: Jacob Trouba ($8,000,000) - Adam Fox ($3,000,000) - Joey Keane ($809,166)

Left: Brady Skjei ($5,250,000) - K'Andre Miller ($925,000) - Libor H?jek ($1,200,000) - Tarmo Reunanen ($809,167)

 

GOALTENDER (2)

Alexandar Georgiev ($2,200,000) - Igor Shesterkin ($1,500,000)

 

BUYOUTS (3)

Kevin Shattenkirk ($1,433,333) - Dan Girardi ($1,111,111) - Brad Richards ($0)

 

DETAILS

Roster Size: 22

Salary Cap: $90,000,000

Cap Hit: $69,050,634

Cap Space: $20,949,366

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2022-23 if everyone goes off

 

CapFriendly.com Armchair-GM User-Generated Roster

 

FORWARDS (13)

Right wing: Kaapo Kakko ($8,700,000) - Vitali Kravtsov ($7,250,000) - Pavel Buchnevich ($6,000,000) - Lauri Pajuniemi ($925,000)

Centre: Mika Zibanejad ($10,700,000) - Filip Chytil ($5,500,000) - Brett Howden ($3,600,000) - Karl Henriksson ($925,000)

Left wing: Artemi Panarin ($11,642,857) - Lias Andersson ($3,900,000) - Brendan Smith ($4,500,000) - Brendan Lemieux ($3,500,000) - Morgan Barron ($925,000)

 

DEFENSE (7)

Right: Jacob Trouba ($8,000,000) - Anthony Deangelo ($6,600,000) - Adam Fox ($4,000,000)

Left: K'Andre Miller ($925,000) - Libor H?jek ($2,800,000) - Yegor Rykov ($2,500,000) - Brady Skjei ($5,250,000)

 

GOALTENDER (2)

Alexandar Georgiev ($5,600,000) - Igor Shesterkin ($2,800,000)

 

 

 

DETAILS

Roster Size: 22

Salary Cap: $90,000,000

Cap Hit: $109,762,301

Cap Space: -$19,762,301

 

 

This has $45m for just the Wings. That will never happen with the cap at $90m.

 

If everyone goes off do we get at least one Cup? Would be a real nice problem to have with all those big salaries.

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2022-23 if everyone goes off

 

CapFriendly.com Armchair-GM User-Generated Roster

 

FORWARDS (13)

Right wing: Kaapo Kakko ($8,700,000) - Vitali Kravtsov ($7,250,000) - Pavel Buchnevich ($6,000,000) - Lauri Pajuniemi ($925,000)

Centre: Mika Zibanejad ($10,700,000) - Filip Chytil ($5,500,000) - Brett Howden ($3,600,000) - Karl Henriksson ($925,000)

Left wing: Artemi Panarin ($11,642,857) - Lias Andersson ($3,900,000) - Brendan Smith ($4,500,000) - Brendan Lemieux ($3,500,000) - Morgan Barron ($925,000)

 

DEFENSE (7)

Right: Jacob Trouba ($8,000,000) - Anthony Deangelo ($6,600,000) - Adam Fox ($4,000,000)

Left: K'Andre Miller ($925,000) - Libor H?jek ($2,800,000) - Yegor Rykov ($2,500,000) - Brady Skjei ($5,250,000)

 

GOALTENDER (2)

Alexandar Georgiev ($5,600,000) - Igor Shesterkin ($2,800,000)

 

 

 

DETAILS

Roster Size: 22

Salary Cap: $90,000,000

Cap Hit: $109,762,301

Cap Space: -$19,762,301

 

Sure, but if Chytil, Howden, and Andersson are all worthy centers are we going to pay Zibanejad 10.7m at 29 years old on a long term deal? Brendan Smith going off is good stuff, but I'm not even going to pretend that happens and he gets re-signed and for the same caphit as a 3rd line winger.

 

For starters, Zib/Skjei/goalie out in this scenario. You can't keep both Georgiev and Shesterkin. At some point they'll have to make a choice on that. Probably once Shesterkin's entry level deal is up, or sooner if either one of them pushes the other out of the way.

 

The 3rd and 4th lines make way too much money. Buchnevich and/or Lemieux gone.

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I may be off on this but what I find generally amusing is that many who clamoured for a TRUE rebuild got off the wagon at the first hint of a sexy UFA. Now, it seems like rebuild has gone off a little half cocked to me, there's doesn't seem to be an obvious plan up the middle other than to throw a bunch of shit at the wall and see what sticks.

 

Instead, they blew their wad on a winger, for the only reason that he was immediately available.

 

he's just one player. I don't get why you are blowing a lid over one guy. he doesn't make or break the team. in 3-4 years he'll still be in his prime

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Sure, but if Chytil, Howden, and Andersson are all worthy centers are we going to pay Zibanejad 10.7m at 29 years old on a long term deal? Brendan Smith going off is good stuff, but I'm not even going to pretend that happens and he gets re-signed and for the same caphit as a 3rd line winger.

 

For starters, Zib/Skjei/goalie out in this scenario. You can't keep both Georgiev and Shesterkin. At some point they'll have to make a choice on that. Probably once Shesterkin's entry level deal is up, or sooner if either one of them pushes the other out of the way.

 

The 3rd and 4th lines make way too much money. Buchnevich and/or Lemieux gone.

 

You should pick Door #2, then.

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2022-23 if everyone goes off

 

CapFriendly.com Armchair-GM User-Generated Roster

 

FORWARDS (13)

Right wing: Kaapo Kakko ($8,700,000) - Vitali Kravtsov ($7,250,000) - Pavel Buchnevich ($6,000,000) - Lauri Pajuniemi ($925,000)

Centre: Mika Zibanejad ($10,700,000) - Filip Chytil ($5,500,000) - Brett Howden ($3,600,000) - Karl Henriksson ($925,000)

Left wing: Artemi Panarin ($11,642,857) - Lias Andersson ($3,900,000) - Brendan Smith ($4,500,000) - Brendan Lemieux ($3,500,000) - Morgan Barron ($925,000)

 

DEFENSE (7)

Right: Jacob Trouba ($8,000,000) - Anthony Deangelo ($6,600,000) - Adam Fox ($4,000,000)

Left: K'Andre Miller ($925,000) - Libor H?jek ($2,800,000) - Yegor Rykov ($2,500,000) - Brady Skjei ($5,250,000)

 

GOALTENDER (2)

Alexandar Georgiev ($5,600,000) - Igor Shesterkin ($2,800,000)

 

 

 

DETAILS

Roster Size: 22

Salary Cap: $90,000,000

Cap Hit: $109,762,301

Cap Space: -$19,762,301

 

You resigned Smith and gave him $150k raise to be the 13th forward. I like it. You're daring.

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"Average performance" salaries

 

CapFriendly.com Armchair-GM User-Generated Roster

 

FORWARDS (13)

Right wing: Kaapo Kakko ($4,250,000) - Vitali Kravtsov ($3,600,000) - Lauri Pajuniemi ($825,000) - Cristoval Nieves ($1,400,000)

Centre: Mika Zibanejad ($8,600,000) - Filip Chytil ($3,000,000) - Karl Henriksson ($870,000) - Brett Howden ($2,500,000)

Left wing: Artemi Panarin ($11,642,857) - Lias Andersson ($2,000,000) - Morgan Barron ($800,000) - Brendan Lemieux ($2,500,000) - Leevi Aaltonen ($825,000)

 

DEFENSE (7)

Right: Jacob Trouba ($8,000,000) - Adam Fox ($3,000,000) - Joey Keane ($809,166)

Left: Brady Skjei ($5,250,000) - K'Andre Miller ($925,000) - Libor H?jek ($1,200,000) - Tarmo Reunanen ($809,167)

 

GOALTENDER (2)

Alexandar Georgiev ($2,200,000) - Igor Shesterkin ($1,500,000)

 

BUYOUTS (3)

Kevin Shattenkirk ($1,433,333) - Dan Girardi ($1,111,111) - Brad Richards ($0)

 

DETAILS

Roster Size: 22

Salary Cap: $90,000,000

Cap Hit: $69,050,634

Cap Space: $20,949,366

If the ELC's "go off", Buch and Zib won't be here.

You resigned Smith and gave him $150k raise to be the 13th forward. I like it. You're daring.

And overpaying almost everyone else....ADA ballsy, indeed.

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2022-23 if everyone goes off

 

CapFriendly.com Armchair-GM User-Generated Roster

 

FORWARDS (13)

Right wing: Kaapo Kakko ($8,700,000) - Vitali Kravtsov ($7,250,000) - Pavel Buchnevich ($6,000,000) - Lauri Pajuniemi ($925,000)

Centre: Mika Zibanejad ($10,700,000) - Filip Chytil ($5,500,000) - Brett Howden ($3,600,000) - Karl Henriksson ($925,000)

Left wing: Artemi Panarin ($11,642,857) - Lias Andersson ($3,900,000) - Brendan Smith ($4,500,000) - Brendan Lemieux ($3,500,000) - Morgan Barron ($925,000)

 

DEFENSE (7)

Right: Jacob Trouba ($8,000,000) - Anthony Deangelo ($6,600,000) - Adam Fox ($4,000,000)

Left: K'Andre Miller ($925,000) - Libor H?jek ($2,800,000) - Yegor Rykov ($2,500,000) - Brady Skjei ($5,250,000)

 

GOALTENDER (2)

Alexandar Georgiev ($5,600,000) - Igor Shesterkin ($2,800,000)

 

 

 

DETAILS

Roster Size: 22

Salary Cap: $90,000,000

Cap Hit: $109,762,301

Cap Space: -$19,762,301

 

If Kravtsov and Kakko earn themself those contracts there would be no need for Buch (saved 6m), Smith is obviously gone (saved 4.5m), DeAngelo at 6,6m is a big lol. Georgiev at 5,6m is also never happening (unless he goes off and Shesty busts, but then we wont pay him 2,8m). One of Chytil, Lias and Howden will be traded if they all "work out". That roster is paying the 3rd line 6m, 3.6m and 4.5m, that is never happening. There will be 3/4th liners at ELC contracts or cheap UFA signings.

 

Like seriously, there is no cap problems here.

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