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    Angry The Power[less] Play is Costing Us Games; What's the Answer?

    8:00 of PP time in the first period alone, including a double-minor when Asham took a high-stick juicer from Greene, and we leave the period down two. That hole is difficult enough for even the NHL's best teams to dig their way out of, let alone a team who's currently scoring 2.22 G/G at ES (1.6 when you eliminate the 5-goal outing against the Leafs).

    We're dead last in the NHL on the PP at 8.6%. Did you read that? 8.6%. We have three PPG's on 35 attempts. Thirty-fucking-five. Oh, and one of those came on a 5-on-3 early in the season.

    I don't want to hear about any other teams' struggles or anything like that, either, because this has been an issue plaguing this team for three or four years straight now.

    At one point or another, something has got to give, because this team is losing far too many games to an ineffective, or countereffective power play.

    Who has the answer? Because it's sure as shit not Tortorella, or Sullivan, or anyone on the bench. I think four years of PP mediocrity bordering on absurd assures us of that.

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    The philosophy of a coach to believe it doesn't need to be something that is a focal point is absurd.
    This group is blessed with talent more than capable on the offense to put pucks in the net, 5 on 5 or on the man advantage.

    Like I posted last week, the Rangers power plays failures rest squarely on Tortorella's shoulders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by I am Scags View Post
    The philosophy of a coach to believe it doesn't need to be something that is a focal point is absurd.
    This group is blessed with players more than capable on the offense to put pucks in the net, 5 on 5 or on the man advantage.

    Like I posted last week power plays failures rest squarely on Tortorella's shoulders.
    Torts' quotes tonight on the PP seem to indicate maybe a change of heart there, which is a little reassuring.

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    POWERPLAY HELP

    This team is not going anywhere without a powerplay and we haven't had a good one since 94' with leetch and zubov at the point. Every team to win the Stanley Cup recently has had a good pp.

    Does anyone know if there is any team willing to trade a good defenseman with a hard slapshot WHO HITS THE NET? I would trade hagelin or whatever it takes (lol for the most part just really frustrated)

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    He believes it's fixable. Guess he wouldn't say anything else.

    But we've only had that PP working for a few fleeting stretches in the last 5 years.

    Oh well, with all the new personnel, I still live in hope of a change this season, despite most evidence to the contrary.
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    In all honesty, this is one of the reasons why I am not as concerned as others. The players are there, but it is a failure of execution. If this is practiced and a coach is hired, given our style of grinding out, they will draw calls and will convert.

    It is Game Nine and after all these failures, I have a feeling it will be addressed by someone. If Torts doesn't, Slats will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rome 2.0 View Post
    Torts' quotes tonight on the PP seem to indicate maybe a change of heart there, which is a little reassuring.
    I believe he either needs to get rid of Sullivan or get someone in here to join them either on the bench or upstairs who can guide this group on the power play.
    There needs to be another voice and another dimension or wrinkle brought in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RichieRangers View Post
    This team is not going anywhere without a powerplay and we haven't had a good one since 94' with leetch and zubov at the point. Every team to win the Stanley Cup recently has had a good pp.

    Does anyone know if there is any team willing to trade a good defenseman with a hard slapshot WHO HITS THE NET? I would trade hagelin or whatever it takes (lol for the most part just really frustrated)
    This isn't an accurate statement, though.

    In 2006-07 we were 8th in the league at 18.5% and had 75 PPG's by the end of the year on 406 opportuniites. In 1997-98 we were 5th in the league at 17.6%. In 1998-99 we were 2nd in the league at 20.4%.

    Problem is, you can't borrow from Peter to pay Paul. Giving up pieces that are valuable to us for a piece just gets us out of one hole and puts us into another.

    We most definitely need a point shot, or could use one at least, but there's much more to the failure of this playoff squad IMO than just the lack of a hard point shot.
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    The powerplay is a sore point and has been a sore point for Tortorellas whole tenure and its painful, mainly for the lack of action to fix it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CreaseCrusader91 View Post
    In all honesty, this is one of the reasons why I am not as concerned as others. The players are there, but it is a failure of execution. If this is practiced and a coach is hired, given our style of grinding out, they will draw calls and will convert.

    It is Game Nine and after all these failures, I have a feeling it will be addressed by someone. If Torts doesn't, Slats will.
    But its been almost 4 years now of playoff ineptitude. If it hasn't changed already its not going to get any better in time. If you want to blame it on losing Jagr and Straka and or Tortorellas philosophy, whatever it is, its not going to change until heads start to make it the very focal point moving forward. IMO thats another coach either on the bench or upstairs. And as we already know this is 48 game shortened season so there really is not much time to turn it around, the margin of error is slim at best.

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    We've been saying the goals will come on the pp for years, and the failure to address it may have cost us a trip to the finals last year (can't tell me a few pp goals wouldn't have changed things dramatically) and a playoff berth this year if we don't turn things around fast, and what evidence would point to the Rangers doing that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    We've been saying the goals will come on the pp for years, and the failure to address it may have cost us a trip to the finals last year (can't tell me a few pp goals wouldn't have changed things dramatically) and a playoff berth this year if we don't turn things around fast, and what evidence would point to the Rangers doing that?
    Other than some words nothing.

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    The thing that drives me crazy is that it's fucking fundamentals.

    Look at the Zidlicky high stick penalty in the third. We set up, Staal keeps in and is holding at the point. Anyone with half a brain could see that he was going to lead a streaking Gaborik with a pass. He does. Gaborik is flatfooted and it's a turnover.

    How hard is it to read your teammates like that? Move. Constantly.
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    Nothing is going to change. I'm sure their pct. will improve but it's always going to suck with Tortorella. Always.

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    God, having a crappy powerplay hurts on SO many levels:
    - The inability to score...obviously the most important
    - Teams taking liberties with our guys knowing that there is practically no chance of any repercussions
    - The boost other teams get from killing penalties (did you hear the Devils fans when they killed off that 4 minute high-sticking penalty?)

    I mean, the list could go on. This is something that NEEDS to be addressed. It can no longer be for lack of the proper tools, because there are other teams in the league doing far more with much less.

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    To me, Sather has to make this call. He needs to hire a PP specialist assistant coach and tell John to use him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoControl View Post
    To me, Sather has to make this call. He needs to hire a PP specialist assistant coach and tell John to use him.

    3 for 35. 8.6%. Dead last in the NHL.
    Completely agree. What kills me is that Tortorella came into this league with Buffalo as a PP coach, so I find it really ludicrous that he doesn't put more emphasis on coaching it — especially with it costing us games, outright.

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    Well, firstly and most importantly, Phil pretty much nailed it, earlier: Our gameplan is total crap. It's lifeless. We have no confidence with the puck and nobody seems to have the kind of chemistry that most other teams have offensively. Where are the give and go's? Where is the cycling that leads to pucks getting quickly to the net with traffic arriving at the right time? Where is the transition game? These are fundamental offensive aspects that are just non-existent in our play.

    I have to echo Phil again. What happened to "safe is death?" Tortorella preached it when he first arrived here and then reeled it back in when he realized we didn't have the talent and depth to play that way and reap the benefits. But now that we actually have more offensively gifted players, there seems to have been no adjustment made. If the devils and islanders can play quick-strike, transition hockey, while still playing a strong defensive game, then we absolutely should be able to. This is a painfully obvious adjustment that needs to be addressed.

    Our breakouts are slow and deliberate, and it seems to be a RULE that when we regain possession of the puck, we go back into our zone (often all the way back behind our own net) and allow all 5 opposing players to fall into defensive position. Again, where is the transition game? It's easier to beat 3 defenders than 5.

    We also seem to lack confidence in our own zone to initiate a quick, smart breakout when we get to a loose puck. It often results in us getting pinned in our own zone, turnovers, and ultimately goals against. Far too much hesitation has creeped into our game. We're playing on our heels rather than on our toes. Again, this is all Renney-esque gameplay that Tortorella is supposed to be the antithesis to. Nobody's suggesting that we be a run-and-gun team, but there's plenty of room for more decisive offensive plays. The lack of that killer instinct, especially early on in games, is negatively affecting the other aspects of our game, including but not limited to the powerplay, simple passing, quicker shooting, and our defensive zone play.

    My other major concerns are the play of Gaborik and Richards. Neither one is playing with much confidence right now. Gaborik has been solid defensively, but he's not paid 7.5 million per season to do what Anisimov did. He simply needs to create more. I don't expect him to drastically change as a player at this stage of his career, but he needs to get more quality shots on goal. The rare opportunities that he has had, his shot looks soft and his release looks markedly slower than the one he's famous for. He also doesn't look as fast as he's capable of being. He needs to pick up his play. As far as Richards, there's also no excuse for his play lately. Last season, he was shooting more, and thus, he commanded more time and space to do what he does best which is make plays. So far this season, he has been making bad decisions with the puck, over-passing, and turning the puck over. He needs to pick it up.

    This is all my observation and response to the first 9 games. It's not a knee-jerk reaction to tonight's game, because honestly, we played well enough overall to at least get a point. Brodeur was the difference tonight. He made a few great saves and also got a few very fortunate bounces, while the devils forwards also got the bounces they needed to score 3 goals. A few bounces the other way and we could've won 5-1. You can't win every game and the devils are a very good team, so I'm not surprised that we lost this one, especially without Girardi and Callahan. But it's over. We don't play the devils again til March. Move on. But as we do, the aforementioned issues need to be addressed immediately. The team is far too talented for the results thus far. No excuses. Time to hold yourself accountable, Torts, and admit that you're not perfect, and that your gameplan needs a few key adjustments.

    The powerplay is sucking the life out of any momentum we build at ES. I've said it over and over: far less-skilled teams have powerplays that do the simple things with confidence and decisiveness. We struggle to even set up, and then we are hesitant, tentative, and over-thinking on every single pass and shot. It's a hard thing to break out of, and since it's obvious that we don't lack the necessary personnel, this is a coaching issue. Time to do your job, John.

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    Great post, Bretz.

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