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    Quote Originally Posted by Greggy Gloom View Post
    We have to pick a dictator first. And let's call it a benevolent dictatorship so we don't scare the children.
    History has proven that at least in the immediate sense, Dictatorships and monarchies are more effective in getting things done. The reasons are obvious, but i've always found it interesting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Smith View Post
    History has proven that at least in the immediate sense, Dictatorships and monarchies are more effective in getting things done. The reasons are obvious, but i've always found it interesting.
    Are these things positive or negative for the populous?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peetie27 View Post
    Are these things positive or negative for the populous?
    At first positive, the longer the dictator says in power the more negative it gets.
    Nothing is true, everything is permitted.
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    Both. While our system works in some respects, there is almost always a 50% majority for or against something, so nothing is truly getting done. It took a year and a half to get Universal Health Care Passed. It took Hitler 5 seconds to say, "lets build a national roads system" or Queen Elizabeth I or King James VI to expand the British Empire.

    Having said that, I like the fact that i am not going to be whisked away as a traitor to the state for disagreeing with our leader. But i dont like political stalemate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jules View Post
    At first positive, the longer the dictator says in power the more negative it gets.
    So what you are saying is a dictatorship is short-sighted and not for the long haul?

    Sounds effective!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niagaraiceman View Post
    So what you are saying is a dictatorship is short-sighted and not for the long haul?

    Sounds effective!
    Modern american democracy is just as effective. Except it has lasted longer. Long-term and America can't be used effectively in a sentence other than this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rome 2.0 View Post
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    who the fuck is Dick Morris, and why the hell does anyone give him air time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Smith View Post
    Modern american democracy is just as effective. Except it has lasted longer. Long-term and America can't be used effectively in a sentence other than this.
    i was being sarcastic. There is no such thing as a perfect government. In fact, there is no such thing as an efficient government. IMO, people just have to take the good with the bad and hope it doesn't affect quality of life.

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    The best political system would be communism, "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need". It's the "each" that fucks that up, since man is both lazy and greedy if allowed to be. On the furthest end from that we find dictatorships, "from each and to each as decided by one". Our quasi-representative democratic capitalist system here in the US, in it's ideal, is a compromise between these two idealogies. In theory what we'd see in the US is "from each according to his ability and effort, to each what that effort and ability are worth to society". In practice though, it's more like, "from each what he can influence, to each what that influence can sustain."

    So then, our society is based not on the reward of ability and effort (the American Dream) but instead on one's ability to be political in a given situation, be that in the work place, government arena or even within the family unit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RangersFan 31 View Post
    who the fuck is Dick Morris, and why the hell does anyone give him air time?
    Youtube will film anyone these days!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Not Here View Post
    The best political system would be communism, "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need". It's the "each" that fucks that up, since man is both lazy and greedy if allowed to be. On the furthest end from that we find dictatorships, "from each and to each as decided by one". Our representative democracy here in the US, in it's ideal, is a compromise between these two idealogies. In theory what we'd see in the US is "from each according to his ability and effort, to each what that effort and ability are worth to society". In practice though, it's more like, "from each what he can influence, to each what that influence can sustain."

    So then, our society is based not on the reward of ability and effort (the American Dream) but instead on one's ability to be political in a given situation, be that in the work place, government arena or even within the family unit.
    We live in a society that promotes both equality and individualism. Things that don't necessarily go together all that well.

    I ask my students how they feel about the American Dream. The reaction is not too favorable. In fact, it is the one thing that gets them fired up for debate. I'll take it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niagaraiceman View Post
    i was being sarcastic. There is no such thing as a perfect government. In fact, there is no such thing as an efficient government. IMO, people just have to take the good with the bad and hope it doesn't affect quality of life.
    Hah thats what i figured, but its true. I don't think any real government thinks in the long-term. The closest you had were the Soviet 5 year plans. And even that is debatable.

    So yes, just take the good with the bad. We aren't here long enough to crusade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Smith View Post
    Hah thats what i figured, but its true. I don't think any real government thinks in the long-term. The closest you had were the Soviet 5 year plans. And even that is debatable.

    So yes, just take the good with the bad. We aren't here long enough to crusade.
    Well, the disemination of information, going back to the printing press has limited government power. It's why censorship is one of the strongest political tools a government can possess next to the ability and willingness to kill in mass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Not Here View Post
    The best political system would be communism, "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need". It's the "each" that fucks that up, since man is both lazy and greedy if allowed to be. On the furthest end from that we find dictatorships, "from each and to each as decided by one". Our quasi-representative democratic capitalist system here in the US, in it's ideal, is a compromise between these two idealogies. In theory what we'd see in the US is "from each according to his ability and effort, to each what that effort and ability are worth to society". In practice though, it's more like, "from each what he can influence, to each what that influence can sustain."

    So then, our society is based not on the reward of ability and effort (the American Dream) but instead on one's ability to be political in a given situation, be that in the work place, government arena or even within the family unit.
    Exactly. Everything you just said is spot on. Enjoy some rep. points.

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    Agreed, the "internet" of the Northern Renaissance really changed the way the world worked. Imagine if the Catholic church was not checked by the reformation, where the world would be today.

    Another what if question from the boards history prof. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niagaraiceman View Post
    We live in a society that promotes both equality and individualism. Things that don't necessarily go together all that well.

    I ask my students how they feel about the American Dream. The reaction is not too favorable. In fact, it is the one thing that gets them fired up for debate. I'll take it!
    I'd say more than those two things, our society rewards leadership. The more people you can influence into your way of thinking, through what ever means, the more power you can obtain. Whether that's economic power (getting people to produce for you), political power (vote for you) or despotic power (getting people to commit crimes for you), the end result is that you are as powerful as you can extend your will through others' efforts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Not Here View Post
    The best political system would be communism, "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need". It's the "each" that fucks that up, since man is both lazy and greedy if allowed to be. On the furthest end from that we find dictatorships, "from each and to each as decided by one". Our quasi-representative democratic capitalist system here in the US, in it's ideal, is a compromise between these two idealogies. In theory what we'd see in the US is "from each according to his ability and effort, to each what that effort and ability are worth to society". In practice though, it's more like, "from each what he can influence, to each what that influence can sustain."

    So then, our society is based not on the reward of ability and effort (the American Dream) but instead on one's ability to be political in a given situation, be that in the work place, government arena or even within the family unit.
    Agree 100%.

    Add into that, the human condition promotes "What's mine is mine, and what's yours is mine." I guess that's under your "greed" umbrella.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RangersFan 31 View Post
    who the fuck is Dick Morris, and why the hell does anyone give him air time?
    Known for his time as a political advisor to Clinton.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niagaraiceman View Post
    Agreed, the "internet" of the Northern Renaissance really changed the way the world worked. Imagine if the Catholic church was not checked by the reformation, where the world would be today.

    Another what if question from the boards history prof. lol
    That's exactly my point. If not for the means for mass communication, we'd still as a planet be largely lead by religious doctrine, the original form of government.

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