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    OK, I'm game. Expand. I'm listening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    OK, I'm game. Expand. I'm listening.
    Because us snobby East coasters, with all our slick book-learnin, don't know what the good people of the state of Montana need!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    There are people that think cutting down a tree is murder.
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    Or killing a cow. Or a chicken. Or an ant.
    None of these involve human life, so none of these have merit. There's a presumed level of common sense here...and inalienable rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmc51 View Post
    None of these involve human life, so none of these have merit. There's a presumed level of common sense here...and inalienable rights.
    I find that lawmakers are usually for children's rights when it suits them.

    Like they care about kids when the kids aren't immigrants, or aren't their own bastards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    Because us snobby East coasters, with all our slick book-learnin, don't know what the good people of the state of Montana need!
    The same things us snobby coastal elites do. Health care. Clean air. A fair playing field. Among others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    The same things us snobby coastal elites do. Health care. Clean air. A fair playing field. Among others.
    Letís not kid ourselves.....Iíve been to NY and DC plenty for work.
    Iím much more snobby than any of you


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    Quote Originally Posted by Puck Head View Post
    Let’s not kid ourselves.....I’ve been to NY and DC plenty for work.
    I’m much more snobby than any of you


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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    The same things us snobby coastal elites do. Health care. Clean air. A fair playing field. Among others.
    Agreed, should get rid of affirmative action asap

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    In reality, abolish the EC. Become a representative democracy that's actually representative of the will of the People.
    It's not representative of the will of the people, because the American voting public is, in short, dumb.

    If you want a popular vote, then you better restrict voter access, b/c the vote of someone who just turned 18, dropped out of school at 15, is voting for the first time, and can't spell electoral college shouldn't count as much as a 34 year old ex Marine who owns a small business and has voted bipartisan every 2 years.

    Not all votes are equal and the EC, flawed as it is, helps mitigate that problem.

    And not for nothing, but Washington DC, which always goes heavy Blue, gets 3 votes and isn't even a state.
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    Maybe. Equal opportunity, not equal outcome. AA can exist honoring the former. Whether it actually is or not, I don't know. I'd have to look into it a lot more.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Future View Post
    It's not representative of the will of the people, because the American voting public is, in short, dumb.

    If you want a popular vote, then you better restrict voter access, b/c the vote of someone who just turned 18, dropped out of school at 15, is voting for the first time, and can't spell electoral college shouldn't count as much as a 34 year old ex Marine who owns a small business and has voted bipartisan every 2 years.
    No, it shouldn't. This is like the 3/5 compromise but around IQ.

    Not all votes are equal and the EC, flawed as it is, helps mitigate that problem.
    By your own admission, it gives the undereducated a greater voice.

    And not for nothing, but Washington DC, which always goes heavy Blue, gets 3 votes and isn't even a state.
    All the more reason to kill it.

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    I thought a lot about Pete's idea after Brexit. In short, his question was why the hell does everybody's vote count for the same?

    Initially, I was a little taken aback, but I've come round to weighted voting. Like a corporation, maybe, where landowners (or whatever) get more say.

    People with skin in the game should get more say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    No, it shouldn't. This is like the 3/5 compromise but around IQ.

    By your own admission, it gives the undereducated a greater voice.

    All the more reason to kill it.
    It's not about IQ, it's about understanding how to vote based on policy. You don't have to be smart to do it, but you do have to make an effort.

    No it doesn't, and I never said that.

    Reform it. The only reason I mentioned that is b/c of Phil's Dakotas comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Future View Post
    It's not about IQ, it's about understanding how to vote based on policy. You don't have to be smart to do it, but you do have to make an effort.

    No it doesn't, and I never said that.

    Reform it. The only reason I mentioned that is b/c of Phil's Dakotas comment.
    Dude, half the Republicans in this country don't vote based on policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunny View Post
    I thought a lot about Pete's idea after Brexit. In short, his question was why the hell does everybody's vote count for the same?

    Initially, I was a little taken aback, but I've come round to weighted voting. Like a corporation, maybe, where landowners (or whatever) get more say.

    People with skin in the game should get more say.
    That's a different issue than elected office LOL. Not every vote on every issue is the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    Dude, half the Republicans in this country don't vote based on policy.
    I never said they do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Future View Post
    I never said they do?
    I don't know what you're saying then LOL.

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    Abolishing the EC gives more power to NYC and California.

    Itís doing exactly what it was implemented for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    Dude, half the Republicans in this country don't vote based on policy.
    2 out of 9-million vote based on actual policy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    Abolishing the EC gives more power to NYC and California.

    Itís doing exactly what it was implemented for.
    Oh you mean it's giving power to the areas that are most densely populated? With actual people? What a horrible idea... And that's not what the Electoral College was implemented for.

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