trade/signing target: Zach Werenski & Boone Jenner

If Lundqvist ends up being what hes projecting as then moving him would be a horrendous move. And IF you move him you better be getting more in return than Werenski and Boone Jenner especially if you're giving up our best defensive defenseman and two good prospects (Okay one good prospect, one medium prospect- or whatever you would call them at this point) along with him.

 

Defensemen have switched sides in the past.. is it really unthinkable that one or two of them are capable of doing it? (I am not being facetious- this seems like its worth a try before you start moving high end prospects because you cant find a spot for them)

 

I think ideally you keep fox and lundqvist as your offensive threats (hey who the hell knows maybe nils isn't all that offensive after all and ends up being a defensive guy like Lindgren) and build around them. If Trouba has to play 7th D at some point then so be it.

I really like Lundkvist as a prospect. Your grossly under valuing Werenski. He's paced 50 points the also few shortened seasons on one of the worst offensive teams in the league. He is better defensively than Lindgren. He is bigger than Lindgren. He has twice received Norris votes. He's 23 years old. If you're going to trade Lundkvist this is the exact type of player you go after.

I really like Lundkvist as a prospect. Your grossly under valuing Werenski. He's paced 50 points the also few shortened seasons on one of the worst offensive teams in the league. He is better defensively than Lindgren. He is bigger than Lindgren. He has twice received Norris votes. He's 23 years old. If you're going to trade Lundkvist this is the exact type of player you go after.

If Trouba wasn't here, I'd be all in on getting Werenski. More specifically, if Trouba's contract wasn't here.

If Trouba wasn't here, I'd be all in on getting Werenski. More specifically, if Trouba's contract wasn't here.

The hard part of any moves is getting to 2024 when Kreider and Trouba are tradable. 21/22 would be easy. 22/23 and 23/24 are the tough years. You can lock up Fox easy. You can likely resign Zib easy. Ideally Cuylle can replace Buch. Strome will be the likely cap casualty, that hopefully you're competitive enough be attract a vet on a cheap deal that wants a shot at the cup.

The hard part of any moves is getting to 2024 when Kreider and Trouba are tradable. 21/22 would be easy. 22/23 and 23/24 are the tough years. You can lock up Fox easy. You can likely resign Zib easy. Ideally Cuylle can replace Buch. Strome will be the likely cap casualty, that hopefully you're competitive enough be attract a vet on a cheap deal that wants a shot at the cup.

Kakko, Krav, Miller, Jones are all in line for cheap bridge deals. Only danger with the kids is if Laf goes for 60+ points the next two years.

I really like Lundkvist as a prospect. Your grossly under valuing Werenski. He's paced 50 points the also few shortened seasons on one of the worst offensive teams in the league. He is better defensively than Lindgren. He is bigger than Lindgren. He has twice received Norris votes. He's 23 years old. If you're going to trade Lundkvist this is the exact type of player you go after.

I don't think anyone is undervaluaing Werenski here. He's a very, very good player, but he doesn't answer questions for us.

I think we're being realistic - he's about to get a sizable payday, he's big - but not physical, he's not taking Panarin's spot on the PP...on the Rangers he's probably a 30 point-ish 2-way guy right now. Is that worth the trade when we really need to address the center position, get nastier on the backend, and address our bottom 6? I don't think so, and Werenski doesn't provide any of that, so it's a pass.

Jenner, on the other hand - hits the damn jackpot on that list and we should pursue him rather aggressively if CBJ's done with him.

Need to replace and add more of what Kreider and Trouba bring before you worry about those contracts.

Without those 2, that's the softest team ever assembled in the NHL.

And then you have to pay out the ass to replace what Kreider and Trouba gave you.

Need to replace and add more of what Kreider and Trouba bring before you worry about those contracts.

 

Without those 2, that's the softest team ever assembled in the NHL.

 

And then you have to pay out the ass to replace what Kreider and Trouba gave you.

Yeah - I mean, you deal Kreider and you give the same damn deal to Zach Hyman - makes no sense.

You make a deal for, like...the 2021 version of a 2010 Brandon Dubinsky. That's the guy you want to bring in here - just a shitpig pain in the ass with a nose for the net.

I don't think anyone is undervaluaing Werenski here. He's a very, very good player, but he doesn't answer questions for us.

 

I think we're being realistic - he's about to get a sizable payday, he's big - but not physical, he's not taking Panarin's spot on the PP...on the Rangers he's probably a 30 point-ish 2-way guy right now. Is that worth the trade when we really need to address the center position, get nastier on the backend, and address our bottom 6? I don't think so, and Werenski doesn't provide any of that, so it's a pass.

 

Jenner, on the other hand - hits the damn jackpot on that list and we should pursue him rather aggressively if CBJ's done with him.

I mean, the guy saying "if you move Lundkvist you better be getting more in return than Werenski" is absolutely undervaluing Werenski.

As far as shaping the backend...

Option A VS. Option B

Lindgren (6' 191) - Fox (5'11 181) Werenski (6'2" 218) - Fox (5'11 181)

Miller (6'5" 210) - Trouba (6'3" 209) Miller (6'5" 210) - Trouba (6'3" 209)

Jones (5'11" 185) - Lundkvist (5'11" 187) Jones (5'11" 185) - Schneider (6'2" 202)

Lindgren just paced 26 points. Werenski is gonna produce more than that with the forward talent the Rangers have. He can also run PP2 if Robertson (6'4" 202) passed Jones on the depth chart.

Need to replace and add more of what Kreider and Trouba bring before you worry about those contracts.

 

Without those 2, that's the softest team ever assembled in the NHL.

 

And then you have to pay out the ass to replace what Kreider and Trouba gave you.

This is 3 years from now.

Cuylle replaces Kreider. Schneider replaces Trouba. You've made more draft picks. You're now in a position where vets like Corey Perry will sign for $750k to try and win a cup.

I mean, the guy saying "if you move Lundkvist you better be getting more in return than Werenski" is absolutely undervaluing Werenski.

 

As far as shaping the backend...

 

Option A VS. Option B

 

Lindgren (6' 191) - Fox (5'11 181) Werenski (6'2" 218) - Fox (5'11 181)

Miller (6'5" 210) - Trouba (6'3" 209) Miller (6'5" 210) - Trouba (6'3" 209)

Jones (5'11" 185) - Lundkvist (5'11" 187) Jones (5'11" 185) - Schneider (6'2" 202)

 

Lindgren just paced 26 points. Werenski is gonna produce more than that with the forward talent the Rangers have. He can also run PP2 if Robertson (6'4" 202) passed Jones on the depth chart.

I don't think that matters. Werenski should be on a PP regardless, wherever he goes if traded. Double digit goal scorer, 45-50 point defenseman...can't keep that off the PP.

On another note, anyone know what kind of PP setup Gallant likes to deploy?

I mean, the guy saying "if you move Lundkvist you better be getting more in return than Werenski" is absolutely undervaluing Werenski.

 

As far as shaping the backend...

 

Option A VS. Option B

 

Lindgren (6' 191) - Fox (5'11 181) Werenski (6'2" 218) - Fox (5'11 181)

Miller (6'5" 210) - Trouba (6'3" 209) Miller (6'5" 210) - Trouba (6'3" 209)

Jones (5'11" 185) - Lundkvist (5'11" 187) Jones (5'11" 185) - Schneider (6'2" 202)

 

Lindgren just paced 26 points. Werenski is gonna produce more than that with the forward talent the Rangers have. He can also run PP2 if Robertson (6'4" 202) passed Jones on the depth chart.

Certainly we'd do better than Werenski if we're dealing our top prospect, our top LD, and a solid mid-six forward, especially because Werenski's a redundant piece for us. We don't need a PPQB, we have five of them(Fox, Panarin, Lundkvist, Zibanejad, Jones) - we're literally +3 on "needed PPQBs". We don't need a rangy, big, not-physical defender on the left - we have K'Andre Miller. We can't add another 7M contract on the back-end behind Trouba and Fox.

It's a trade - in any incarnation - that doesn't make sense. It's not that Werenski isn't good. It's that he isn't at all a fit.

I don't think that matters. Werenski should be on a PP regardless, wherever he goes if traded. Double digit goal scorer, 45-50 point defenseman...can't keep that off the PP.

 

On another note, anyone know what kind of PP setup Gallant likes to deploy?

We said the same things about Trouba. Werenski's at best running PP2 here - as good as he is, he's not cracking PP1 over Fox or Panarin. Even in an umbrella, he's not taking Zib's spot either.

I really like Lundkvist as a prospect. Your grossly under valuing Werenski. He's paced 50 points the also few shortened seasons on one of the worst offensive teams in the league. He is better defensively than Lindgren. He is bigger than Lindgren. He has twice received Norris votes. He's 23 years old. If you're going to trade Lundkvist this is the exact type of player you go after.

My comment was geared more towards how much hope I gave that Lundqvist will ultimately be better than werensky down the line. But fine, fair point.

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We said the same things about Trouba. Werenski's at best running PP2 here - as good as he is, he's not cracking PP1 over Fox or Panarin. Even in an umbrella, he's not taking Zib's spot either.

Trouba had one year of it out of 6 or 7 seasons. Werenski's been doing it since year 1. It's not at all the same there.

I was asking what kind of PP Gallant runs. Maybe he would go a two defenseman setup.

Kreider

Zib

Panarin- Fox - Werenski

But, it doesn't matter. Werenski still ain't happening because cap.

The idea of Jenner is one that we haven't really thrown around, but it's one that makes a ton of sense for the Rangers and the Jackets.

 

Jenner makes the right amount to slot in, he's not really due for a massive payday, and the cost should be rather minimal given that CBJ is going full rebuild and he's on the wrong side of 25 for that.

 

I think Drury has to think of it this way:

 

If at 15, you've got a center you really like, take them. Maybe it's Raty, maybe McTavish, maybe both are gone - but even 2nd line centers don't get moved easily these days so you kind of have to strike there.

If there's no center, trade down with CBJ, let them move up and take whatever they need, and take back 24 or the Lightning pick alongside Jenner. Target the "nasty wings" - Othmann or L'Heureux

If the draft works out that the guys we want disappear between 15 and 24/29, just trade out of the round.

Why trade for Jenner when you can sign Foligno for less money and no assets given? I'd say they are kinda similar players at this point in their careers no?

Why trade for Jenner when you can sign Foligno for less money and no assets given? I'd say they are kinda similar players at this point in their careers no?

Foligno's six years older and is a more a wing than a center. Jenner's a natural center, 55% FO win guy, has much more left in the tank. Just fits our needs better.

Keep in mind the asset we're talking about swapping for Jenner is somewhere between 9 and 15 spots in the draft here. Even if you throw, like, Hunter Skinner in there - it's not bad.

The UFA alternatives to Jenner are players like Bonino and Haula. Not really Foligno.

I think I'd rather have Bonino than Jenner, and he could be had for no assets

Figured a Swiss army type player was more up the Rangers alley, but I see what you guys mean. I hadn't realized Jenner was full time center the last few years. Goes to show how much I've paid attention to Columbus. I still don't trade for him, but I understand the want.

I don't think he is. And I wouldnt call him a natural center. He's a guy that can play in the middle.

They specifically got guys like M Koivu, Domi, R Nash and Roslovic during the last year for a reason. Foligno, the other non-natural center, took the 2nd most special teams faceoffs. I mean, it's Torts, so you'll see weird shit like that.

I think I'd rather have Bonino than Jenner, and he could be had for no assets

I feel like Bonino has way less mileage on him, but truthfully, I don't really care who they pick for their 3C because there's an abundance of appropriate options available. It's probably the easiest role they can fill.

I feel like Bonino has way less mileage on him, but truthfully, I don't really care who they pick for their 3C because there's an abundance of appropriate options available. It's probably the easiest role they can fill.

So do you go defensive specialist with some skill, or do you go with a guy with just size and faceoff ability like Jenner? I think finding the right player for that spot is actually HUGE for this team. Said player needs to check many boxes.

How about Radek Faksa? Offer up a lower prospect and Georgiev...