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    New York Post Story Makes Unconfirmed Claims Regarding Biden, Burisma

    Not that we didn’t already know what was going on, but it looks like an old Hunter Biden hard drive showed up with evidence that his VP Daddy did actually meet with Burisma officials. Now we know why a completely inexperienced Hunter got paid $50,000 per month. Access has a price. Then it paid off when his VP Daddy got the prosecutor fired.

    “I looked at them and said: I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money,” Biden infamously said to the Council on Foreign Relations in 2018.

    “Well, son of a b----,” he continued. “He got fired.”

    Imagine the media coverage if this was a Trump.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hun...d-drive-laptop
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    This is it. You knew they had some dirt on Biden. It was just a matter of when they would drop it. They've probably actually had this information for over a year.

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    I read the story on the Post this morning. It's really a nothingburger. It doesn't offer proof of anything at all really and has some major red flags of suspicious reporting. Rudy Giuliani's involvement alone should be enough of a sign that this shouldn't be taken seriously.

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    Yeah, this has been known for awhile. It's just ignored. Doesn't fit the narrative.
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    It's literal Russian disinformation. Both Facebook and Twitter — whose business models profit off political division — have removed all links to the "report" for a reason. We'll detail why in a bit, but I'm closing this thread, because it violates the spirit of our own unsourced/disinformation policy:

    we do not want to be known as a forum where false information spreads (or begins)
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    I think it's important to understand both why we chose to close this thread and why we're going to reopen it.

    The reason this thread was closed is because it's quite literally misinformation. As Phil alluded to, it failed third party fact-checking and the "no distribution of hacked content" protocols from Twitter and Facebook — two companies that literally thrive off of this kind of virality. While it's important to have good faith political discussions on both sides of the aisle, it's important that those discussions are in good faith. This is why reliable media outlets are integral, as is corroboration, in both journalism and in posting news here. The premise of the story is required to be accurate and honest for it not to flagrantly violate the principles of good faith reporting.

    Further, this story violated the spirit of our sourced information/disinformation policy (Sec 1, L) to post or allow fake news here.

    This, of course, leads to an expected argument along the lines of "well, we don't know if it's fake news because there's been no investigation." This, too, is wrong.

    1. 9/23 — The GOP-led committee to investigate this very issue found no wrongdoing by Biden. It's of note that the findings echo a known Russian misinformation campaign, and that the later implicated FBI is actually involved in both the investigation and the report.

    2. Today — The NY Post publishes its story. It failed to provide the connection between these emails and any actual corruption - the content in question asks for a meeting. The core premise is quickly debunked that they got from a laptop that the Senate investigation, the FBI, the CIA, any cooperators, and so on did not get, because as we know from the earlier report, they were involved in the initial investigation. And, if as purported, the FBI had this information as of April 2019, why would a joint investigation that amounted to nothing conclude when it was sitting on this info? It wouldn't. That makes no sense.

    3. Further, let's look at those supposed emails — they're absolutely riddled with errors and tells. Three major issues come to the forefront pretty quickly:

    • The ambassador misspells his own name (flips between Vadim and Vadym)
    • The email addresses are hilariously made up (the president of Burisma is using firstinitial[dot]lastname[dot]ukraine@gmail.com — really?)
    • Rosemont Seneca and Rosemont Capital are two different companies (the former is a spinoff of the latter), the latter of which Hunter Biden has no connection to, and the email addresses aren't properly stylized in Gmail notation (which would be <email@email.com>).

    There's also the generally poor grammar. These feel quite suspect. The current working theory is that they're forged, and if not forged, hacked (or both, which is apparently a thing).

    4. Then there's the issue of the sourcing. The "source" of these emails is a computer repairman in Delaware who apparently was asked to repair someone who might have been Hunter Biden's laptop, copied the hard drive, returned the laptop, wasn't paid for it, and decided the thing he needed to do was...contact Rudy Giuliani? New York Magazine does a pretty good job of reporting on that piece and more.

    Rather than painstakingly do this legwork on the fly, we closed the thread while other sources checked against the claims. That not a single, credible media outlet corroborated this story that the New York Post — a Rupert Murdoch owned paper with a propensity for hyperbole and a track record of promoting viral conspiracy theories — precludes us from taking it seriously without significant scrutiny. This story has all the flags you look for in fake news - obvious mistakes, sourcing questions abound, plausibility - it checks every box.

    My inclination is that this story will evolve; there's an element of madcap political assassination, there's an element around how much control big tech should have over what's put on their platforms, and there's an element of precisely where these emails came from that will certainly merit discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    Yeah, this has been known for awhile. It's just ignored. Doesn't fit the narrative.
    Pretty much. There was just no smoking gun until now.

    By the way, Twitter and probably Facebook in hot water. Jack Dorsey already backpedaling:

    https://nypost.com/2020/10/14/twitte...-unacceptable/

    Twitter CEO Jack Dorsey said it was “unacceptable” that the social media giant blocked users from sharing a Post exposé about Hunter Biden’s emails without providing a clear message as to why it was taking the action.

    Dorsey released his statement in a tweet Wednesday night — hours after a number of high-profile Republicans, including Sen. Josh Hawley, blasted the social media giant for blocking the stories from being shared on the platform.
    Also known as: slow the spread so we have time to come up with a rebuttal beforehand.

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    Guys this is actual fake news. You're falling for it because of your preconceived notions. Some of you are smarter than this.

    It's got nothing to do with narrative. It's bullshit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morphinity View Post
    Guys this is actual fake news. You're falling for it because of your preconceived notions. Some of you are smarter than this.

    It's got nothing to do with narrative. It's bullshit.
    This, 100%. To be clear, the Biden story doesn't deserve a minute of conversation beyond "clearly bullshit" and we move on.

    What the debate in this thread should be about is right wing news outlets reporting so many unsubstantiated claims, and social media allowing so much Russian disinformation, and only recently having it brought to the forefront to the point where it needs to be removed.

    Even scale that back to this site...This is not news outlet for politics but the owner has a baseline of needing to post a link to where you're getting the info. What has become the problem is that links to complete bullshit "information" that has been debunked are allowed to stand which lends it the same credibility as actual news. Whether or not the news is reported with a left or right lean.

    So now, when social media, and this forum, have decided that enough is enough with the bullshit fake news being posted on the platform...People are crying "censorship!" And frankly, I don't really blame you guys for doing it. Had any of the social media platforms (or this board) set an actual standard for the kind of information that was allowed to be posted on their platforms, we wouldn't be in this situation.

    We wouldn't have nonsense like Pizzagate, or QAnon, or InfoWars, or Plandemic or any other unsubstantiated nonsense that franky, mostly comes from the right. And then what happens is, credible news outlets don't pick up the fake garbage reporting, and they get accused of being run by the left wing...When really they're just engaged in responsible reporting and not carrying shit like Biden/Burisma which is clearly fuckin fake.

    That's what we should be talking about. Why one side gets to say whatever they want and never back it up with proof (the proof usually comes in the form of a question..."If there was nothing going on, why was Hunter Biden getting paid?"..."OK, so where's the proof of wrongdoing?" ..."Hunter was getting paid! It's the smoking gun!"....Yea, no, that's not proof and neither is this BS NYPost story), and the other side is constantly needing to over-substantiate and prove-out their claim.

    And to take that a step further, I will repeat the conservatives on this board bet a much wider berth than liberals. I've received warnings and infractions for the same kinds of behavior that doesn't even get a conservative post removed.

    What social media (and this board) should be doing is calling attention to right wing conspiracy web sites and not letting them stand as sources at the same level as fuckin Rueters or AP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmc51 View Post
    Pretty much. There was just no smoking gun until now.

    By the way, Twitter and probably Facebook in hot water. Jack Dorsey already backpedaling:

    https://nypost.com/2020/10/14/twitte...-unacceptable/



    Also known as: slow the spread so we have time to come up with a rebuttal beforehand.
    I think he means that "Twitter should have explicitly said that this is fake news, not just blocked the content from being shared".

    Which, he's right. Twitter and Facebook, among others, have crossed the line between information and news source, and they're likely recognizing that they've been - willing or unwilling - a complicit purveyor of fake news. They're met with a hard choice now, because they didn't act when they should have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    This, 100%. To be clear, the Biden story doesn't deserve a minute of conversation beyond "clearly bullshit" and we move on.

    What the debate in this thread should be about is right wing news outlets reporting so many unsubstantiated claims, and social media allowing so much Russian disinformation, and only recently having it brought to the forefront to the point where it needs to be removed.

    Even scale that back to this site...This is not news outlet for politics but the owner has a baseline of needing to post a link to where you're getting the info. What has become the problem is that links to complete bullshit "information" that has been debunked are allowed to stand which lends it the same credibility as actual news. Whether or not the news is reported with a left or right lean.

    So now, when social media, and this forum, have decided that enough is enough with the bullshit fake news being posted on the platform...People are crying "censorship!" And frankly, I don't really blame you guys for doing it. Had any of the social media platforms (or this board) set an actual standard for the kind of information that was allowed to be posted on their platforms, we wouldn't be in this situation.

    We wouldn't have nonsense like Pizzagate, or QAnon, or InfoWars, or Plandemic or any other unsubstantiated nonsense that franky, mostly comes from the right. And then what happens is, credible news outlets don't pick up the fake garbage reporting, and they get accused of being run by the left wing...When really they're just engaged in responsible reporting and not carrying shit like Biden/Burisma which is clearly fuckin fake.

    That's what we should be talking about. Why one side gets to say whatever they want and never back it up with proof (the proof usually comes in the form of a question..."If there was nothing going on, why was Hunter Biden getting paid?"..."OK, so where's the proof of wrongdoing?" ..."Hunter was getting paid! It's the smoking gun!"....Yea, no, that's not proof and neither is this BS NYPost story), and the other side is constantly needing to over-substantiate and prove-out their claim.

    And to take that a step further, I will repeat the conservatives on this board bet a much wider berth than liberals. I've received warnings and infractions for the same kinds of behavior that doesn't even get a conservative post removed.

    What social media (and this board) should be doing is calling attention to right wing conspiracy web sites and not letting them stand as sources at the same level as fuckin Rueters or AP.
    The problem is this particular news story came from the New York Post, not some site like The American Freedom Bugle. So there was some legitimacy lent to it at first. I think that was the point - not starting this post from the depths of the internet so it gains some traction.

    You saw initial reactions from places like Bloomberg and USA Today that boosted it to their platform, citing NY Post reporting, making it mainstream.

    This thing stunk from the very top, right off the hop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morphinity View Post
    The problem is this particular news story came from the New York Post, not some site like The American Freedom Bugle. So there was some legitimacy lent to it at first. I think that was the point - not starting this post from the depths of the internet so it gains some traction.

    You saw initial reactions from places like Bloomberg and USA Today that boosted it to their platform, citing NY Post reporting, making it mainstream.

    This thing stunk from the very top, right off the hop.
    Agreed.

    And we need look no further than Murdoch > Fox News > NY Post ownership chain to see what happened here. Then we circle to G's post debunking the entire thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    Agreed.

    And we need look no further than Murdoch > Fox News > NY Post ownership chain to see what happened here. Then we circle to G's post debunking the entire thing.
    Rudy Giuliani. This starts, and ends, right there.
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    US intelligence analysts suspected at least as far back as last month that a mixture of hacked and forged emails from the Ukrainian company Burisma Holdings might be dumped online as an "October surprise," The New York Times reported Wednesday.
    Russian military-intelligence hackers successfully breached Burisma's servers in January, The Times reported earlier this year.

    Wednesday's report said analysts contacted people with knowledge of the hack because they were concerned "the Burisma material would be leaked alongside forged materials in an attempt to hurt" the 2020 Democratic presidential nominee, Joe Biden.

    Earlier Wednesday, the New York Post published an article purporting to feature a "smoking-gun email" between a Burisma executive and Biden's son Hunter.

    As Business Insider reported, the authenticity of the Post article is highly questionable, and its sourcing raises numerous red flags.
    https://www.businessinsider.com/us-i...rprise-2020-10


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    Have the Bidens come out and said the emails and pictures of Hunter smoking crack and engaged in sex acts are not his? There are supposed to be thousands of emails so that should be an easy thing to prove. Thanks for keeping an open mind while this shakes out.

    We do know Hunter Biden was paid up to $83k per month by a suspect Ukrainian energy company while his father was the Ukrainian point person for the Obama Administration.
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    Hunter is not running for president. Are you equally concerned that the First Lady has nudes on the Internet? I mean she is a model for young women, right? If Trump supporters only have Hunter Biden to use as THE prime talking point, then what about his policies? Or doesn't that really matter as long as Trump wins? We've been all over this ad nauseum. Let the people speak. Vote! Freely and openly.

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    White House was warned Giuliani was target of Russian intelligence operation to feed misinformation to Trump

    U.S. intelligence agencies warned the White House last year that President Trump’s personal lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani was the target of an influence operation by Russian intelligence, according to four former officials familiar with the matter.
    
The warnings were based on multiple sources, including intercepted communications, that showed Giuliani was interacting with people tied to Russian intelligence during a December 2019 trip to Ukraine, where he was gathering information that he thought would expose corrupt acts by former vice president Joe Biden and his son Hunter.
    
The intelligence raised concerns that Giuliani was being used to feed Russian misinformation to the president, the former officials said, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive information and conversations.
    
The warnings to the White House, which have not been previously reported, led national security adviser Robert O’Brien to caution Trump in a private conversation that any information Giuliani brought back from Ukraine should be considered contaminated by Russia, one of the former officials said.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...36d_story.html


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    What the hell happened to Rudy Guiliani? He was an American hero 20 years ago. Now he's in Ukraine as a Russian asset helping undermine the US election.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirtyONE View Post
    What the hell happened to Rudy Guiliani? He was an American hero 20 years ago. Now he's in Ukraine as a Russian asset helping undermine the US election.
    You might forget that most people in NYC fucking HATED Guiliani prior to 9/11.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirtyONE View Post
    What the hell happened to Rudy Guiliani? He was an American hero 20 years ago. Now he's in Ukraine as a Russian asset helping undermine the US election.
    He's always been like this.
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