TwoMinutesForNothing Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 Sure, but that still doesn't make their situations comparable. That's just a generality. Nothing about Lafreniere implies he needs that. It doesn't have to be comparable. Yes Kakko need it more, but it would still be helpful for anyone. Gauthier is already here so it's not like we have to go acquire him by giving something up. It would make little sense to get rid of him knowing he may help out new 18 year old franchise player. French Canadians aside, our team barely has Canadians. The two are only like 3 years apart in age as well so that could also help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoMinutesForNothing Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 There's a huge difference between coming to the US from Finland and Canada. I didn't think that really needed to be said... Didn't say there wasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 It doesn't have to be comparable. Yes Kakko need it more, but it would still be helpful for anyone. Gauthier is already here so it's not like we have to go acquire him by giving something up. It would make little sense to get rid of him knowing he may help out new 18 year old franchise player. French Canadians aside, our team barely has Canadians. The two are only like 3 years apart in age as well so that could also help. They're closer to 5 years apart and none of what you're saying here is a reason to keep a player who's done nothing to earn a spot around. it's just a wild assumption to think that all French Canadian players like or want to be around each other LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew a Penalty Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 It doesn't have to be comparable. Yes Kakko need it more, but it would still be helpful for anyone. Gauthier is already here so it's not like we have to go acquire him by giving something up. It would make little sense to get rid of him knowing he may help out new 18 year old franchise player. French Canadians aside, our team barely has Canadians. The two are only like 3 years apart in age as well so that could also help. Yeah, I think you're still putting too much stock into it. I think Gauthier has potential, I'm personally not for moving him, but I don't think he has any relevance to Lafreniere whatsoever. Same with more Canadians. What would a dude from Regina have to with one from Montreal for instance? That's like saying I'm relatable to a dude from Topeka. Nationality is often overstated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 12, 2020 Author Share Posted August 12, 2020 I don't get the Lemieux hate. Guy has played 78 games for us and has put up 9 goals and 24 points and is only 24 years old. He is tough, gritty, he fights and now we have the depth to play him in a more suitable role on the 4th line. Why are we talking about guys like Grant and Clifford? Lemieux is a great fit for the 4th line. Gauthier is 22 years old, huge, and former 1st round pick and has a ton of potential. He's also French Canadian, so is going nowhere with Laffy coming in, but why are we casting him aside? The 4th line is a great place to hone his skills as long as he is playing with guys with some skill and not Greg McKegg. Give these two a useful 4th line center and they're perfect 4th liners. Howden is and option and Morgan Barron may be a good fit there as well. If this team needs to sign a bigger plus to fight then go ahead but make that guy the spare forward, whoever it may be. Because Garnt and Clifford, as stated in the OP, offer more than Lemieux or other internal options. They kill penalties, most of all, and can actually play hockey. The only positive metric I've ever seen in Lemieux's favor is his penalty differential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 If you look at what Carolina took for Gauthier, Joey Keane, it indicates that an organization that was quite familiar with him had given up on him. He's got some wheels on him. Nothing else apparent to date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodrigueGabriel Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 If you look at what Carolina took for Gauthier, Joey Keane, it indicates that an organization that was quite familiar with him had given up on him. He's got some wheels on him. Nothing else apparent to date.Gauthier is pretty much just a human bowling ball. He gets position with his speed and size, then can't do anything with it. Sent from my SM-G970U using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 He also has 17 games in the NHL... maybe we wait a couple of months before we start calling him a bust? Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flynn Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 He also has 17 games in the NHL... maybe we wait a couple of months before we start calling him a bust? Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk He's like a 6'5 lefty that can throw 95.. He's going to keep getting chances even if he can't throw strikes.... You just hope to be the organization that has him when he learns how to pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMorganBarron Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 Gauthier is pretty much just a human bowling ball. He gets position with his speed and size, then can't do anything with it. Sent from my SM-G970U using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk 37 points in 44 AHL games last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 12, 2020 Author Share Posted August 12, 2020 He also has 17 games in the NHL... maybe we wait a couple of months before we start calling him a bust? Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk No one is calling him a bust. We're saying there's no there there (yet). I'm not even getting rid of him in my proposal. He can be the thirteenth forward. He's shown nothing, to date, to suggest he should be penciled into the lineup next season, is my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 12, 2020 Author Share Posted August 12, 2020 37 points in 44 AHL games last season. Great. So he's a solid minor-leaguer. What's your point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMorganBarron Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 Great. So he's a solid minor-leaguer. What's your point? was he given the icetime and the linemates or the PP time to show what he can do in NHL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodrigueGabriel Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 He also has 17 games in the NHL... maybe we wait a couple of months before we start calling him a bust? Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by TapatalkI wasn't calling him a bust. Just saying what I've seen so far. It has been curious for me that he had 26 g at Charlotte and has so far seemed kind of hands-less around the net. Sent from my SM-G970U using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMorganBarron Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 I wasn't calling him a bust. Just saying what I've seen so far. It has been curious for me that he had 26 g at Charlotte and has so far seemed kind of hands-less around the net. Sent from my SM-G970U using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk I think what he needs is show that he can be a good bottom line grinder/with strong PK/defensive game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 12, 2020 Author Share Posted August 12, 2020 was he given the icetime and the linemates or the PP time to show what he can do in NHL? Did do anything to show he deserves any of them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew a Penalty Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 Gauthier is literally meant to be a Kreider clone. That's the game they had him focused on when he was in the Carolina system, he said so himself, and that's the game they likely envision him playing here. He's a big body who can skate like the wind and gets most of his contributions in front of the net. A significant number of his goals in the AHL came from tip-ins and deflections in front of the net like Kreider. That's his game. He's not a shooter with hands. Neither is Kreider. I like him a lot but he's really more of a top 9 or bust type player. I don't know how well he can really reinvent his game for consistent minutes on a fourth line unless he becomes infinitely better defensively. I doubt that happening at his age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siddious Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 No one is calling him a bust. We're saying there's no there there (yet). I'm not even getting rid of him in my proposal. He can be the thirteenth forward. He's shown nothing, to date, to suggest he should be penciled into the lineup next season, is my point. That was my point though we haven?t even had a chance to really assess his game all that much. Hard to give the guy a hard time when we?ve seen maybe ~60 minutes of ice time on the 4th line. Def. not penciling him in but there is a lot to like there on paper. Hell how long has howden had to prove himself? Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainMorganBarron Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 Did do anything to show he deserves any of them? Aren't we rebuilding and our coach was brought here to give icetime to young players? If not then why is he a right fit and Laviolette is not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted August 12, 2020 Author Share Posted August 12, 2020 Icetime is given to young players who show something. Not becuase they are young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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