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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainMorganBarron View Post
    so who are these gritty physical players going to replace?

    on forward we got: Lemieux who is obviously physical. Zib, Kreider, and Panarin are not going anywhere. Buch and Howden are gritty and physical. Kakko is only 19 I doubt he is getting replaced yet. Di Giuseppe, Fast, Gauthier and McKegg are all gritty. McKegg will be gone so his spot could be upgraded possibly same with Fast. That leaves us with Chytil and Strome. Is that who they are replacing?

    On defense we got Smith and Staal who can only be bought out, but they are ok physically and are gritty.

    Trouba is pretty physical but needs to be moved because of his contract and terrible defensive mistakes he is making.

    Lindgren is physical and gritty

    Fox is not getting traded probably, but he is not very physical so maybe they do consider trading him.

    ADA is a bit more physical and gritty than Fox.

    Hajek maybe is not very gritty or physical, but he doesn't have much trade value.
    There are so few irreplaceable players on this team its hardly worth discussion. The entirety of the bottom 6 is replaceable (presuming Kakko is a top 6 guy next year). Start there to answer your initial question.

    We need to find grit that can play, not just grit for the sake of irritation. We don;t have much in the way of grit with talent.

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    I think what the NYR lack is a true identity. They don't know who they are yet and I think part of that has to fall on Quinn. When Torts was the coach, there was no doubt who they were trying to be. Remember, Davidson didn't hire Quinn, and that plays a part in all things moving forward.

    Based on the personnel they have now? They are a semi-fast, semi-talented, defensively-challenged team. That's not going to get it done by any stretch. They need depth and grit.to support the talent. When you don't have that you get guys like Chytil playing a role he's not suited for.

    All part of the rebuild.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonyfiore75 View Post
    I think what the NYR lack is a true identity. They don't know who they are yet and I think part of that has to fall on Quinn. When Torts was the coach, there was no doubt who they were trying to be. Remember, Davidson didn't hire Quinn, and that plays a part in all things moving forward.

    Based on the personnel they have now? They are a semi-fast, semi-talented, defensively-challenged team. That's not going to get it done by any stretch. They need depth and grit.to support the talent. When you don't have that you get guys like Chytil playing a role he's not suited for.

    All part of the rebuild.

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    Welcome to the site. Good observations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainMorganBarron View Post
    Also I am confused, we outhit the Canes so the grit and physicality, while are always needed, were not a reason we lost this.

    Our offense wasn't able to produce, we also have very weak offense all season long from our bottom 2 lines, and the Carolina coaching staff is way better than ours.
    Lots of hits don't always make you a tough team.

    It's more a reflection of your team not having the puck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    Lots of hits don't always make you a tough team.

    It's more a reflection of your team not having the puck.
    There's also smart hitting and dumb hitting. Hitting should have a purpose. It's not just going out there and charging whatever moves. Smart, experienced players know the difference (and so do coaches).

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    I mean it seems pretty obvious to me. Pending RFA Josh Anderson who has been linked to several times before. I bet he'll be a Ranger by next February or whenever the hell the next stupid season finally starts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoMinutesForNothing View Post
    I mean it seems pretty obvious to me. Pending RFA Josh Anderson who has been linked to several times before. I bet he'll be a Ranger by next February or whenever the hell the next stupid season finally starts.
    Sort of. It's a drum Brooks, specifically, has been beating. He hasn't been linked anywhere else. He's also coming off major shoulder surgery. It's gotta be a concern.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainMorganBarron View Post
    The problem is he is a RW we have Kakko, Buch, Gauthier, Fast?, Kravtsov on the RW If we let Fast go and sign Anderson Kravtsov again is stuck in AHL he might flip out and leave for KHL for good. He is probably flipping out that they made him come to the playoffs and chose to play garbage Fogarty over him when Fast was out.
    Buch has 1 year left on his contract.
    Anderson is a better player than Fast, Kakko (currently) and Gauthier.

    'down' year, coming off surgery, will be cheaper in trade and contract. A big, tough Canadian boy is what this team needs more of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainMorganBarron View Post
    The problem is he is a RW we have Kakko, Buch, Gauthier, Fast?, Kravtsov on the RW If we let Fast go and sign Anderson Kravtsov again is stuck in AHL he might flip out and leave for KHL for good. He is probably flipping out that they made him come to the playoffs and chose to play garbage Fogarty over him when Fast was out.
    They made Kravtsov come for the playoffs? No. He willingly came. Anyone had the ability to opt-out. There was probably never a chance he was getting into the lineup short of severe injuries to the lineup. The team lost Fast, and Kravtsov isn't ready for the top-six in his first NHL game, so they went with a defensive forward who can play in the bottom-six. Quinn was short two penalty killers with Lemieux and Fast out. Kravtsov hasn't killed a penalty at all in North America.

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    When you consider the north/south game of JT Miller is exactly the kind of player this team needs, the McDonough trade takes on the smell of day old garbage juice during a heat wave in July.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugg View Post
    When you consider the north/south game of JT Miller is exactly the kind of player this team needs, the McDonough trade takes on the smell of day old garbage juice during a heat wave in July.
    That's the first time I've ever heard of JT Miller's game described as North/South.

    Too bad he couldn't produce more while he was here.

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    Miller is definitely a north-south player. And yes, he's developed (finally) into that player, but it took years to get there.
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    Pointless moaning over JT Miller.
    He wasn’t the player he is now with the Rangers. He wasn’t with Tampa either. It took him two moves to get there, and there are absolutely no guarantees he’d develop like that if he stayed.
    Water under the bridge.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravesy View Post
    Pointless moaning over JT Miller.
    He wasn’t the player he is now with the Rangers. He wasn’t with Tampa either. It took him two moves to get there, and there are absolutely no guarantees he’d develop like that if he stayed.
    Water under the bridge.
    Right. The same goes for someone like Ryan Graves. Sometimes these moves end up being wake-up calls or players finally find the right coaches to develop them properly. Development isn't consistent.

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    Playing with Pettersson has been a huge contributing factor to the way he’s blossomed this year.
    He’s the perfect compliment to a player like Pettersson.

    It’s also only been this one season that he’s produced to this level.

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    The Miller trade was only a head scratcher becusse of age and cost since he was young and cheaper. He wasn't the hockey player he is now. I liked him though so I never really wanted him to leave but it is what it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keirik View Post
    The Miller trade was only a head scratcher becusse of age and cost since he was young and cheaper. He wasn't the hockey player he is now. I liked him though so I never really wanted him to leave but it is what it is.
    He was on an expiring contract when they traded him and they saw the big raise coming too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RangersIn7 View Post
    He was on an expiring contract when they traded him and they saw the big raise coming too.
    I know but he wasn't getting 8m or anything like that and he wasn't a Ufa.

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    The reason that the 4th line twice could not clear the zone was not an absence of grit but an absence of talent.

    I've heard the call for more grit after playoff losses before, and the overreactions that have resulted have not been good, like trading a future HOFer in Zubov for gritty Ulf Samuelson in the tail end of his career or the notorious trade of Matias Norstrom and Ray Ferraro to get Mary McSorley.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    Maroon and Boyle, yes. Lemieux, no. He's not good at anything. Below replacement level in almost every facet. They should be looking to move him, honestly. He's like an even shittier Ryan Hollweg.



    Agreed. He's also, clearly, a leadership staple.
    I don't get the Lemieux hate around here. Probably not the smartest player, but he can play. Certainly better than Hollweg. Atleast he can slot up and not be a complete disaster. I think someone needs to make a decision on what kind of player they want him to be. He's a guy that will flourish elsewhere.

    Is Troy Brouer still serviceable?

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