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    Quote Originally Posted by Long live the King View Post
    Not all 2nd round picks are created equal. The Sharks 2nd rounder would be about #34 OA. And would give the Rangers 4 picks in the top ~45. I'd be fine with that.
    I have a hard time seeing the Sharks moving any more picks. They got burned to a crisp on the Karlsson deal for their 1st, the Tampa pick should be pretty late, and they have the Avs 2nd - another late in the round deal.

    Also - How would we have 4 picks in the top 45? We're waiting on the condition on the Skjei deal, but we don't own our own second. Am I forgetting something?
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    Quote Originally Posted by G1000 View Post
    I have a hard time seeing the Sharks moving any more picks. They got burned to a crisp on the Karlsson deal for their 1st, the Tampa pick should be pretty late, and they have the Avs 2nd - another late in the round deal.

    Also - How would we have 4 picks in the top 45? We're waiting on the condition on the Skjei deal, but we don't own our own second. Am I forgetting something?
    Forgot we didn't have our own 2nd. 3 picks in the top 35 is just as good though.

    The Sharks have a ton of money invested in Couture, Kane, Vlasic, Burns, and Karlsson who are all 28+ years old. They need goaltending help now and don't have 2 years to wait for a 30 something pick to be useful to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G1000 View Post
    I have a hard time seeing the Sharks moving any more picks. They got burned to a crisp on the Karlsson deal for their 1st, the Tampa pick should be pretty late, and they have the Avs 2nd - another late in the round deal.

    Also - How would we have 4 picks in the top 45? We're waiting on the condition on the Skjei deal, but we don't own our own second. Am I forgetting something?
    Quote Originally Posted by Long live the King View Post
    Forgot we didn't have our own 2nd. 3 picks in the top 35 is just as good though.

    The Sharks have a ton of money invested in Couture, Kane, Vlasic, Burns, and Karlsson who are all 28+ years old. They need goaltending help now and don't have 2 years to wait for a 30 something pick to be useful to them.
    This is the issue for them. And you both make good points.
    On the one hand, they probably shouldn’t be dealing any more picks. On the other hand, with that roster, they’re kind of hemmed in to trying to win now, so they need right now help as opposed to in the future.

    It’s a mess there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RangersIn7 View Post
    This is the issue for them. And you both make good points.
    On the one hand, they probably shouldn’t be dealing any more picks. On the other hand, with that roster, they’re kind of hemmed in to trying to win now, so they need right now help as opposed to in the future.

    It’s a mess there.
    After how this year went, they should be trying to stock the cupboards. In this case, though, Georgiev is young enough and potentially good enough to be their goalie for the next decade. Might be worth the 2nd for a team that should otherwise keep their picks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmc51 View Post
    After how this year went, they should be trying to stock the cupboards. In this case, though, Georgiev is young enough and potentially good enough to be their goalie for the next decade. Might be worth the 2nd for a team that should otherwise keep their picks.
    That’s a part of my feeling too.
    While the reset button is coming for them, if they can get a young goalie that they feel could be their starter, maybe it’s worth it.
    Obviously every draft is different, and this one is reputed as very good and very deep, but how likely is it that they’d draft a better player than Georgiev?

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    The Sharks are in such a weird spot, being as committed as they are to a bunch of older players, yet in such desperate need for anything to stock the cupboards. There's an argument that spending that 2nd on Georgiev is enough of an upgrade to make that team competitive, and there's also an equally good argument to suggest that it's not an awesome idea to double-down on that team.

    I'd reckon that no team celebrates a compliance buyout quite like the Sharks would.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G1000 View Post
    The Sharks are in such a weird spot, being as committed as they are to a bunch of older players, yet in such desperate need for anything to stock the cupboards. There's an argument that spending that 2nd on Georgiev is enough of an upgrade to make that team competitive, and there's also an equally good argument to suggest that it's not an awesome idea to double-down on that team.

    I'd reckon that no team celebrates a compliance buyout quite like the Sharks would.
    They underestimated what losing Pavelski meant, IMO.

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    Definitely haven’t adjusted from his loss yet

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    Quote Originally Posted by Albatross View Post
    only a 2nd round pick?
    would rather acquire an NHL ready 3rd liner with upside (Something like Gauthier, perhaps better/more potential). Enough draft picks. Need to strengthen the NHL depth.
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    The chances of a given No. 2 pick having an appreciable NHL career are relatively small, whereas it already has been established that Georgiev is in the midst of an appreciable NHL career. The market value of goalies is going to be small through the expansion draft. Georgiev's value likely will be greater after that draft than it is now. If we do trade Georgiev before next season (whenever that might be) when draft time rolls around, we can trade for quite a good 2d goalie for next to nothing and expose him. If he then gets drafted, we will have saved a good skater; if he doesn't, we will have a good 2d goalie. The same calculus will apply if we keep Georgiev. The short of it is, the fact that we don't have to protect Sheshty leaves us in a nice position.

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    If Georgiev is moved I'm doubtful the Rangers acquire a goalie to replace him as a backup. That pretty much ensures it Lundqvist's job until he's out. Then again, this organization seems bent on destroying whatever relations they have with him so maybe I'm wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    would rather acquire an NHL ready 3rd liner with upside (Something like Gauthier, perhaps better/more potential). Enough draft picks. Need to strengthen the NHL depth.
    That’s not a bad idea. If they have a piece like that in their organization the value is in the same ballpark

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew a Penalty View Post
    If Georgiev is moved I'm doubtful the Rangers acquire a goalie to replace him as a backup. That pretty much ensures it Lundqvist's job until he's out. Then again, this organization seems bent on destroying whatever relations they have with him so maybe I'm wrong.
    And I’m totally fine with Hank as the backup for a year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RangersIn7 View Post
    And Iím totally fine with Hank as the backup for a year.
    If they're going to drag Hanks cap hit next season, might as well just resign him to be the backup for another few seasons and get rid of Georgie.
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    Alexander Georgiev Trade Would Fill Huge Need for Sharks

    Quote Originally Posted by ThirtyONE View Post
    If they're going to drag Hanks cap hit next season, might as well just resign him to be the backup for another few seasons and get rid of Georgie.
    No thanks.
    Would rather have someone developing and increasing their value. Also doubt Lundy is taking close to league minimum


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    Well, Georgievs value isn't going up sitting behind Shesterkin for two more years. Cash out while you're up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G1000 View Post
    The Sharks are in such a weird spot, being as committed as they are to a bunch of older players, yet in such desperate need for anything to stock the cupboards. There's an argument that spending that 2nd on Georgiev is enough of an upgrade to make that team competitive, and there's also an equally good argument to suggest that it's not an awesome idea to double-down on that team.

    I'd reckon that no team celebrates a compliance buyout quite like the Sharks would.
    I feel like the Sharks are a little bit fucked here, to be honest.
    Yeah, they have that aging core that they're spending a lot of money on, but would you say that's a championship calibre core that can win now with just a little bit of help? I'm really not sold on that at all. I mean Couture, Kane, Vlasic, Burns, and Karlsson. It's ok, but it's certainly not incredible. It's a damned if you, damned if you don't situation. It's hard to see them being able to add the weapons around those guys to make them into a true contender, and it's equally hard to see a successful rebuild while you have to carry those contracts along the way. I don't think any of those contracts will be particularly easy to get out of either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirtyONE View Post
    If they're going to drag Hanks cap hit next season, might as well just resign him to be the backup for another few seasons and get rid of Georgie.
    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    Well, Georgievs value isn't going up sitting behind Shesterkin for two more years. Cash out while you're up.
    No need to extend Lundqvist if they end up keeping him and moving Georgiev. Just go get another backup at that time. Be it from inside or outside the organization it shouldn’t be at all an issue.
    Unless there’s an amnesty buyout they’re dragging him no matter what. It’s either they’re keeping him and paying him. Or they’re doing a traditional buyout and saving a million and change after a new contract for Georgiev. They’re spending that money cap wise anyway.
    It’s the definition of negligible.

    Agree with you Josh.
    I don’t feel like he’s on the team in 2 years either way. Either he’ll want to go elsewhere and try to find an opportunity to start which he won’t get here, or they won’t want to pay him at that point as he’ll be due another raise.
    Spending 2 more years as a backup isn’t going to up his value. He’s still just a backup at that point.
    Return is likely the same now as it would be then, more or less.

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    Didn't SJ sign a young goalie out of the KHL?

    I trade Georgiev for a 2nd in a heartbeat. Maybe even a 3rd. I see no need to keep him around, if he can bring back an asset.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    Didn't SJ sign a young goalie out of the KHL?

    I trade Georgiev for a 2nd in a heartbeat. Maybe even a 3rd. I see no need to keep him around, if he can bring back an asset.
    Signed Melnichuk from KHL

    Only 21. 22 in about a month.
    Played well for St Pete over there. Not much experience though.
    He’s been excellent in their minor leagues over there, but small sample in KHL and not much International experience to speak of.

    Has nice upside but probably still a little while away from NHL.

    A 3rd for Georgiev would be selling low.

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