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Thread: Paying Kreider

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    I'm pretty sure I heard on the NBC broadcast last night that doing this type of trading and re-signing was against the collective bargaining agreement, but I can't find it....
    Nah, there's no rule against it. There was talk years ago of adding one — colloquially referred to as the Doug Weight/Keith Tkachuk rule — but it was never actually adopted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rmc51 View Post
    I voted no. If this truly was the scenario, a late 1st isn't worth a worse long term contract. I don't see a 1st and a blue chip prospect coming back for Kreider even though that seems to be the ask. A 1st and a B prospect probably. Not enough.
    I think this is how I feel. Well put rmc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    Only after buyouts. Cant return to the buyout team for 1 calendar season, I believe. No mention of deadline or trades. Look at Brooks Orpik getting traded 2 seasons ago.
    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    Nah, there's no rule against it. There was talk years ago of adding one — colloquially referred to as the Doug Weight/Keith Tkachuk rule — but it was never actually adopted.
    Ahh, ok...I did hear them say something about that though.... I was taking a piss at the time, so I was somewhat distracted by my tic tac of a weenie!

    Doesn't matter anyway, I don't want/need 7 years of Kreider going half speed after he signs and we end up buying him out after 3 years.

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    One thing to note on this whole OP concept is that the Rangers have the option of an eighth year (not they should — that they do) that would go away the moment they trade Kreider or he goes to market. At that point, any deal could only max out at seven years, which would automatically increase his AAV (if his agent is worth his weight).
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    I vote no
    5 yrs and 6.5-7 per is the most I’d go and I’m really not flexible on either. 35 million over 5 years is the point at which anything beyond that makes it nearly impossible for them to actually get their money’s worth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    You can probably ditch Smith to an Ottawa-like team on July 2nd. I'm not sure you can get anyone to bite on Staal, even with futures added.
    Additionally Staal would have to waive his NMC. I also think Smith would strategically have bad teams (with cap space to take him) on his modified NTC as well.

    Trading either would be easier said than done.

    The clearest path forward to relieve cap space without losing Kreider is by trading Skjei without accepting any cap (or with accepting very little cap) in return.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    One thing to note on this whole OP concept is that the Rangers have the option of an eighth year (not they should — that they do) that would go away the moment they trade Kreider or he goes to market. At that point, any deal could only max out at seven years, which would automatically increase his AAV (if his agent is worth his weight).
    8 years x 6.5 million. Who says yes?

    That nets him 52 million, and from his standpoint would be the equivalent of doing 7x7M now followed by a 1x3M when he's 36 in July 2027. I think that's pretty fair and keeps his AAV down. Of course, then you'd have him until he's 37.

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    6-6.5 for 6-7 i can live with. that 8th year. no thanks.
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    I'd do 8 x 6.5 if he doesn't have a NTC in years 6-8.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slobberknocker View Post
    6-6.5 for 6-7 i can live with. that 8th year. no thanks.
    Slobby, I luv ya dude...but I don't even want him....not at all!! I've seen enough Kreider, and I still think what we get back for him is going to net us more than we could ever hope for retaining him.

    He's hot right now and it's time to sell high. I'm not jumping on this phantom of a freight train, my man. We can get a truck load for him and I think Gorton and JD know exactly what we have with him here....a future buyout candidate in 2 or 3 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunny View Post
    I'd do 8 x 6.5 if he doesn't have a NTC in years 6-8.
    Yeah, the only way I'm giving him the full eight is with limited, if any, trade protection in the final years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunny View Post
    I'd do 8 x 6.5 if he doesn't have a NTC in years 6-8.
    Sounds right. I'd let him have a 8-10 team limited NTC the final years though. He really doesn't want any part of being in Canada, by all accounts we've heard, so at minimum he would want to be able to block a trade to Canada.

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    I either sign him to an extension now or trade him. I don't think they can gauge what the free agent market will be for him. Once he gets notion that he can get more money elsewhere, I think we lose him. Handshake deal or not, I don't want him hitting free agency and competing with other teams who WILL pay more than the Rangers should afford.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    Yeah, the only way I'm giving him the full eight is with limited, if any, trade protection in the final years.
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    My worry is that they're going to trade him and he's going to wind up playing like he has been this year all the time now. lol If he re-signs here long term, then he'd probably go back to being inconsistent Kreider. haha That is my biggest fear. Is he coming into his own finally at age 28 and playing with Mika, or is this 100% contract year motivation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharpshooter View Post
    My worry is that they're going to trade him and he's going to wind up playing like he has been this year all the time now. lol If he re-signs here long term, then he'd probably go back to being inconsistent Kreider. haha That is my biggest fear. Is he coming into his own finally at age 28 and playing with Mika, or is this 100% contract year motivation?
    It's kinda like dating a fat chick, Sharpy!!

    Once you dump her, she goes and loses 50 lbs and looks hot again...kinda like when you first meet her....but don't worry, the minute she gets comfortable with her new man, she'll balloon up just as big, if not bigger than when you sent her packing!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunny View Post
    I think it's high time to spend some futures capital on shedding garbage. Attach a 2nd and a 3rd to Smith and see ya. Ditto for Staal.
    Unfortunately I'm with you. Better than the buyout and allows you to keep players that are part of the solution.

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    If we wait one year, we can shed them for free and keep those 2nd and 3rd rounders. Hell, those picks would be better than the 2 of those guys!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    If we wait one year, we can shed them for free and keep those 2nd and 3rd rounders. Hell, those picks would be better than the 2 of those guys!!!
    I think our biggest issue is that you don't think they can make noise next year where I do. I'm not dumping just to stay in the rebuild one more year. I think keeping certain quality assets along with the growth of our youngsters while shedding some dead weight gets us in the mix next year. It seems like you want to dump and build for the remainder of this season and all next year. I don't think that's necessary.

    I think they need to make the playoffs next year for the experience so they can punish teams in the playoffs the following year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin View Post
    I think our biggest issue is that you don't think they can make noise next year where I do. I'm not dumping just to stay in the rebuild one more year. I think keeping certain quality assets along with the growth of our youngsters while shedding some dead weight gets us in the mix next year. It seems like you want to dump and build for the remainder of this season and all next year. I don't think that's necessary.

    I think they need to make the playoffs next year for the experience so they can punish teams in the playoffs the following year.

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    I can dig that, Kev. I don't think they'll be ready for primetime next season, that's all. One year is not a lot to ask in order to unload a lot of these shitty, big tag contracts, and I just don't wanna see any more buyouts. Salary retention is fine for next season (Hank), if need be, but I just don't see any team needing a Staal or a Brendan Smith. We can't even find a spot on the roster for them! LOL

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