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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunny View Post
    I blame the moron who started a church in his name. Just asking for a bust.
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    All it takes is one brave team to say "We don't care what other people expect of our player. Let them worry about their own players. We know what we expect of him, and right now, the AHL is the best place for him to develop the tools he'll need to get where we all believe he can get to."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    All it takes is one brave team to say "We don't care what other people expect of our player. Let them worry about their own players. We know what we expect of him, and right now, the AHL is the best place for him to develop the tools he'll need to get where we all believe he can get to."
    One could argue that Quinn is saying, "I don't care what other people expect of my player. Let them worry about their own players. I know what I expect of him, and right now when I'm watching him everyday in practice, he's doing what I ask."

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    That could very well be the case, but Quinn doesn't operate in a vacuum. He controls a limited scope, which is exactly the players he's given by the General Manager. The organization as a whole might feel differently.
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    So then the assumption is JD, Gorton, and Quinn don't have a plan or communicate or have a set of expectations they are working off of?

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    Not at all. They simply might not agree on this very specific player.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunny View Post
    Doesn't he have 1 ES assist?
    He was trying to pad his stats last night.
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    Ok, but JD was brought in to take the reigns here. I don't buy him mandating Kakko stays up just because of draft status.

    STL Drafted Pietrangelo #4 under JD. Sent him back to junior twice.
    CLS Drafted Dubios #3 under JD. Sent him back to junior.

    If anyone was going to say "We don't care what other people expect of our player. Let them worry about their own players. We know what we expect of him, and right now, the AHL is the best place for him to develop the tools he'll need to get where we all believe he can get to." It would be JD.

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    Any of us would likely have one ES assist, as well, given his icetime. It's totally insane.

    The Org and bootlicking media keep saying everything is fine and normal, and they're 100% lying. The Org expected some production out of him this season and it's been a complete disaster.

    All the excuses aren't going to cut it next year. He needs to get in to right frame of mind and work on his glaring deficiencies. We need this guy so so bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    I agree, I just disagree with why. I don't think he's doing himself (or them) any favors by never being a factor on the ice except when he makes glaring errors, and I hate that "draft pedigree" is arguably the reason why. It's a stupid precedent that's been set that players taken at a position should automatically be able to make the jump from draft to the NHL simply by way of whatever arbitrary cut off we decide (first, second, eighth overall, etc).

    The AHL exists to serve as a buffer between these two worlds and is designed and composed to operate exactly as the NHL does minus the pressure of the professional media and the win- and produce-now nature of most teams.

    How is that not exactly what is right for Kakko given everything we know of his stint thus far?
    Heís getting preferential treatment because he was picked 2nd overall, and heís 18, and heís foreign. Itís what it is.
    Itís happened before.
    Heís not going anywhere

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunny View Post
    Any of us would likely have one ES assist, as well, given his icetime. It's totally insane.

    The Org and bootlicking media keep saying everything is fine and normal, and they're 100% lying. The Org expected some production out of him this season and it's been a complete disaster.

    All the excuses aren't going to cut it next year. He needs to get in to right frame of mind and work on his glaring deficiencies. We need this guy so so bad.
    Exactly. And it'll get so much worse if they don't send him down this year and then he struggles again next year. He'll get Mittelstadt'd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunny View Post
    Any of us would likely have one ES assist, as well, given his icetime. It's totally insane.

    The Org and bootlicking media keep saying everything is fine and normal, and they're 100% lying. The Org expected some production out of him this season and it's been a complete disaster.

    All the excuses aren't going to cut it next year. He needs to get in to right frame of mind and work on his glaring deficiencies. We need this guy so so bad.
    Zibanejad had 11 ES assists until the last week of the season 2 years ago, at the 1C.
    Comparatively, Kakko aint doing too bad.


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    So he had 1100% more ES assists? lol

    Last night was just one game, who cares, his body of work has not been what we were told we were getting. That's undeniable.

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    at least now he's visible. before you couldn't find him with a pair of binoculars

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    I'm not even concerned specifically with the actual production. I'm concerned with his compete level, how easy it is to get him off the puck, how painfully slow he is, how he seems clueless on where to go or what to do during most plays in his own zone, how the most common image i see of him is one hand on the stick trying to lightly hook the player that just beat him, and how indecisive he is even in favorable offensive positions (i.e. 2 v and 3 v 1s).

    The actual production is not going to come until the above is addressed. Right now he doesnt even seem to posses much hockey IQ and the game doesnt flow through his play as it does with most talented players. In the preseason he looked very very different so I know it's there. It's just not going to come very easily compared to what he's used to. Why on earth its decided his best course is to remain here doing what he's doing apparently is above my level of comprehension.

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    That's it in a nutshell. Very well put.

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    i think last night showed he's a short way away from shit clicking in his game.
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    I don't see it at all with him to date, he effectively killed two odd man rushes at least one of them a 3 on 1 within a ~10 min stretch in the 3rd. Both times not even getting a pass off or god forbid a shot. I would bet after the first one a coach on the bench tapped him on the back and said something along the lines of um maybe shot the puck there Kappo, keep your chin up. And yet he literally did the same thing a short time later in almost the exact same situation. That's the furthest thing from showing progress.

    On the positive side you didn't need binoculars to see him in the 3rd because of those two just terrible plays. They stuck out all on their own with no help needed.

    I just don't see any signs that whatever it is they're doing is working even a little bit.

    He did have 4 shots last night I think one was from Brooklyn. That gives him a whooping 8 shots in his last 6 games.
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    it was obvious he wasn't looking to shoot but wanted to pass. shows that he's still not very confident in his game. but I think he's coming around little by little.

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    It wouldn’t surprise me to see him continue to struggle and then in the last 10-20 games start to figure it out, feel more comfortable and play better

    All the optimism and such may have been overstated but he’s got the tools. This is no surprise really.

    He’ll be fine

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