NYR2711 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 He’s ineligible based on NA pro seasons played regardless of how many games he plays this season. It’s based on AHL and NHL. He’ll be 2 years and under by the time of draft which is the criteria for ineligibility. Thank you for clarifying that:cheers: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew a Penalty Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 I’d rather deal Hank, lol. This where I am, but I think it's pretty much a non-starter. They're not moving him unless he asks, which he probably won't, and he doesn't get you back the same return that Georgiev does at 23 with one year remaining on his ELC. I really like Georgiev but maybe Shesterkin, Huska, and Wall all playing well does open up a door to move him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Those two guys are just more of we have in spades, anyways. Smallish, heady, puck movers with defensive questions. There's not much there I really like, anymore. Robertson maybe, but there's Leaf hype driving that story. They won't move Mikheyev. They don't have picks to move, really. Maybe Robertson's teammate in Peterborough, whose name I won't even attempt. Semyon Der-Arguchintsev? Google exists, man :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Those two guys are just more of we have in spades, anyways. Smallish, heady, puck movers with defensive questions. There's not much there I really like, anymore. Robertson maybe, but there's Leaf hype driving that story. They won't move Mikheyev. They don't have picks to move, really. Maybe Robertson's teammate in Peterborough, whose name I won't even attempt. Semyon Der-Arguchintsev? I've never seen him play but the way his scouting report and stats read, he seems a lot like Karl Henriksson. Robertson is really small but his play seems agitating and he's able to put the puck in the net. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Semyon Der-Arguchintsev? Google exists, man :) Yeah, that's the fellow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vodka Drunkenski Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 I?d rather deal Hank, lol. We all would Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gravesy Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Goalie valuations in trades are always a bit weird. I’m not expecting much of a haul for Georgiev. Certainly, to get into Kapanen/Jonsson territory you’re looking at significant extra pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWantsTheCup Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 Goalie valuations in trades are always a bit weird. I’m not expecting much of a haul for Georgiev. Certainly, to get into Kapanen/Jonsson territory you’re looking at significant extra pieces. You mean we can't get Marner for Georgiev straight up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fletch Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 I don't imagine front office has much appetite to move Georgiev considering Lundqvist is severely declining and likely to be moved next year while Shestyorkin is still an unproven entity in the NHL. I agree with your thought process and assessment. Moving Georgiev for assets is a long-term move, admitting we are not a serious playoff contender this year or next year (not capable of a deep playoff run without a lot of puck luck). Or, you are freeing a roster spot for Shestyorkin. If you are looking to maximize record this year and next year you are playing both Lundqvist and Georgiev, and playing either the experienced goalie or the hot hand leading into the playoffs, until you give Shestyorkin a look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 I agree with your thought process and assessment. Moving Georgiev for assets is a long-term move, admitting we are not a serious playoff contender this year or next year (not capable of a deep playoff run without a lot of puck luck). Or, you are freeing a roster spot for Shestyorkin. If you are looking to maximize record this year and next year you are playing both Lundqvist and Georgiev, and playing either the experienced goalie or the hot hand leading into the playoffs, until you give Shestyorkin a look. Unless they feel Shestyorkin can step in and produce as well or better. I don't agree that Georgiev is that vital to the team that he is the key to making the playoffs next year by the way, to say they are throwing in the towel on next year if they trade him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 I agree with your thought process and assessment. Moving Georgiev for assets is a long-term move, admitting we are not a serious playoff contender this year or next year (not capable of a deep playoff run without a lot of puck luck). Or, you are freeing a roster spot for Shestyorkin. If you are looking to maximize record this year and next year you are playing both Lundqvist and Georgiev, and playing either the experienced goalie or the hot hand leading into the playoffs, until you give Shestyorkin a look. I know this may seem extreme to fans, but I don’t think management views Georgiev as being at the same level as modern day Lundqvist. CURRENT Georgiev is replaceable Next 1 - 3 years : Henrik/Shest Following: Shesterkin/Lindbom That’s almost 10 years of planning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Unless they feel Shestyorkin can step in and produce as well or better. I don't agree that Georgiev is that vital to the team that he is the key to making the playoffs next year by the way, to say they are throwing in the towel on next year if they trade him. He’s currently prime-Lundqvisting the Wolf Pack to being relevant. That team is not good and has been a top seed all season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 I’d rather deal Hank, lol. Money, the cap, NMC and what not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 I know this may seem extreme to fans, but I don’t think management views Georgiev as being at the same level as modern day Lundqvist. CURRENT Georgiev is replaceable Next 1 - 3 years : Henrik/Shest Following: Shesterkin/Lindbom That’s almost 10 years of planning. I think Georgiev was a total wildcard in that plan. It turns out he's better than expected. Not really sure he's good enough to change the plan, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Tyler Wall is the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fletch Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 I know this may seem extreme to fans, but I don’t think management views Georgiev as being at the same level as modern day Lundqvist. CURRENT Georgiev is replaceable Next 1 - 3 years : Henrik/Shest Following: Shesterkin/Lindbom That’s almost 10 years of planning. Love your loyalty to Lundqvist, but we signed him to the 7 year contract with a NMC for the first 4 or 5 years, knowing that we were getting a declining Lundqvist at the tail end. Lundqvist/Shest suggests ~60 games in goal for Lundqvist and ~ 20 games in goal for Shest. 2020-2021 Rangers would be unwatchable in the defensive end with that combo. That planning was for us to win a Cup, and we came damn close against the Kings.... and to figure things out at the tail end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Starting about now, goalies will be devalued in trades in anticipation of the expansion draft. Given that Hank will be at the end of his contract and Sheshty will be ineligible, we will have an open spot to protect at goal and if we trade Georgie now we can trade for a very good No. 2 on the cheap at the end of next season and protect him. Makes me feel better about losing Georgie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 They can't wait until whenever. They'll owe him a contract at some point. Agree with this. At this rate the leafs backup is going to lose them around 14 more games. That alone will cost them a playoff spot. They need to stop the bleeding somehow. Rangers can wait until whenever to move Georgie for the right return Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Love your loyalty to Lundqvist, but we signed him to the 7 year contract with a NMC for the first 4 or 5 years, knowing that we were getting a declining Lundqvist at the tail end. Lundqvist/Shest suggests ~60 games in goal for Lundqvist and ~ 20 games in goal for Shest. 2020-2021 Rangers would be unwatchable in the defensive end with that combo. That planning was for us to win a Cup, and we came damn close against the Kings.... and to figure things out at the tail end.I don't agree with your split there and there's nothing that Quinn has done to suggest he's going to ride Lundquist based on his rep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LindG1000 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Starting about now, goalies will be devalued in trades in anticipation of the expansion draft. Given that Hank will be at the end of his contract and Sheshty will be ineligible, we will have an open spot to protect at goal and if we trade Georgie now we can trade for a very good No. 2 on the cheap at the end of next season and protect him. Makes me feel better about losing Georgie. I believe the exposure rule is "must have a goalie under contract" exposed. That should let us expose Huska. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJWantsTheCup Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 According to Larry Brooks the Rangers will be able to protect Georgiev. https://nypost.com/2019/06/12/rangers-already-keeping-eye-on-2021-seattle-expansion-draft/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Love your loyalty to Lundqvist, but we signed him to the 7 year contract with a NMC for the first 4 or 5 years, knowing that we were getting a declining Lundqvist at the tail end. Lundqvist/Shest suggests ~60 games in goal for Lundqvist and ~ 20 games in goal for Shest. 2020-2021 Rangers would be unwatchable in the defensive end with that combo. That planning was for us to win a Cup, and we came damn close against the Kings.... and to figure things out at the tail end. I dont think Georgiev is better than old worn down Lundqvist. NYR fans obsess about their backups, Montoya, Valiquette, Chad Johnson, Raanta, Talbot... collectively, they have 1 good season outside of NY. People even told me that Biron was a starter on most NHL teams. uh. Youll probably get more in a trade for Georgiev, without salary retention, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Raanta is a stud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long live the King Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Raanta is a studYea, a stud at backing up Kuemper. Sent from my SM-G960U using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Maybe, but he'd be our #1 if it was decided by merit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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