Phil Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 GREENBURGH, N.Y. ? Two things to be very clear about the Marc Staal situation, in which he was scratched for the first time in his 13-year Rangers career on Tuesday and will be held out again Saturday in Nashville: One, he is not going to be permanently scratched just because the young players are here in numbers, especially a pair of 21-year-olds on the left side, which Staal has played his entire career. Two, this is the beginning of the end for the 32-year-old Staal, which is more likely to arrive next summer and almost certainly before next season begins. Oh, one more: Staal, a career-long Ranger, knows this as well as the team does. ?Yeah, obviously I was upset,? Staal said after practice Friday, the first time he?s spoken publicly since coach David Quinn gave him the news Tuesday morning. ?Pretty frustrated. But, you know, obviously at this point you want to be in the lineup, you want to play. I want to get that next opportunity so I can make the most of it.? The situation?s reality is that Skjei, Hajek and Lindgren should all be on the team next season, not to mention the possible arrival of first-rounder K?Andre Miller or top prospect Yegor Rukov (currently injured in Hartford) ? among the truckload of lefty defensemen the Rangers have in the pipeline. There won?t be room for Staal, who has this year and next remaining on his contract, with a $5.7 million annual cap hit. So the last 72 games here, if he lasts that long, are all he has left. The Rangers could try to trade him ? which would require him waiving his no-trade clause and the Rangers eating some salary. And make no mistake, he can still play in a lesser role on a better team. Such a move, however, may not come until over the summer, and it could include the Rangers taking back a bad contract at another position. If the Rangers go the buyout route next June, they?ll be stuck with a $3.5667 million dead cap-space hit in 2020-21 and $1.067 million in ?21-22 (per CapFriendly.com). https://theathletic.com/1344163/2019/11/01/carpiniello-this-isnt-the-end-for-marc-staal-as-a-ranger-but-its-coming/?source=shared-article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThirtyONE Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 He really is an ideal 7th dman. Even next year. Obviously his price tag isn't great for that kind of role but if he can come to accept that, he's very useful as a leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Can't see any way he accepts being a 7th next season. One way or the other it will end prior to getting to that point imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 He really is an ideal 7th dman. Even next year. Obviously his price tag isn't great for that kind of role but if he can come to accept that, he's very useful as a leader. I’d be ok with him in that role with that price tag for a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Wouldn't be shocked to see him retire after this contract. But fact is he controls his destiny and Quinn doesn't have the leash to make him a $6 million scratch all season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Unless he 1) waives his NMC and another team actually wants to trade for him, OR 2) retires, I don't know what choice the Rangers have. Would they really buy out another player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Wouldn't be shocked to see him retire after this contract. But fact is he controls his destiny and Quinn doesn't have the leash to make him a $6 million scratch all season. Perhaps if he sees the writing on the wall and doesn’t want to move his family and play elsewhere then he retires after this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 If they're going to buy another D man out, it should be Skjei, not that they should. They buy so many out its probably just an internal form at this point. Doubt they even have to submit the receipt to finance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 He’d be an ideal 3rd pair guy, but the league is changing. They are desperate for offensive dman. High risk high reward guys. He’s a guy you hate playing against, even though he’s not a huge hitter, speedster, “angry”, etc. just a solid, annoying defender. These are the guys you need for playoffs. Someone that’s always there. Anytime you turn around, you got this 6’4, 210lb defender in your way, playing fundamental hockey. It’s annoying to play against. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Wouldn't be shocked to see him retire after this contract. But fact is he controls his destiny and Quinn doesn't have the leash to make him a $6 million scratch all season. They’ll probably come up with some bullshit medical reason. Cap forces these older guys in depth roles out of the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 They’ll probably come up with some bullshit medical reason. Cap forces these older guys in depth roles out of the league. With Staal's injury history I'm sure they can come up with something...certainly vision related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 If they're going to buy another D man out, it should be Skjei, not that they should. They buy so many out its probably just an internal form at this point. Doubt they even have to submit the receipt to finance.No way. He's our expansion draft bait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Although the eye injury was devestating, I still think the Eric Staal hit did more damage to his career/potential Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Can't see why he would retire and leave the money on the table, but yeah at this point in time it appears it might not end well. It's still way early and things can change quickly, I don't think they should write him completely off yet. Good dude I hope he picks up his play when he gets another chance. Not his fault he's another example of a player getting a long deal when the last couple/few years are a disaster for the team. #SeattleSkjei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 No way. He's our expansion draft bait. That's a good point, I think I said that'll be the most value they get out of Skjei is the ability to expose him. Would be nice if Hank allowed them to, as well. That would be really awesome, actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrooksBurner Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 That's a good point, I think I said that'll be the most value they get out of Skjei is the ability to expose him. Would be nice if Hank allowed them to, as well. That would be really awesome, actually. Hank's contract expires before the expansion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 I have to imagine you can get a solid return for Skjei on the trade market... if they’re really done with him. (They’re not) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 Hank's contract expires before the expansion. Oh, well, retire then. Haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunny Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 I have to imagine you can get a solid return for Skjei on the trade market... if they’re really done with him. (They’re not) I dunno, he's brutal, but a good stretch and rising cap could fix that possibly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
josh Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 I dunno, he's brutal, but a good stretch and rising cap could fix that possibly. I think he desperately needs a good coach. They still have him thinking he’s an offensive guy. Regardless, partial NMC - probably not eligible for expansion draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abe Froman Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 No way. He's our expansion draft bait. And then he'll win a cup with the expansion team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted November 1, 2019 Share Posted November 1, 2019 And then he'll win a cup with the expansion team. if it happens it will be in spite of him being on the roster that's for damn sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangersIn7 Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 Can't see why he would retire and leave the money on the table, but yeah at this point in time it appears it might not end well. It's still way early and things can change quickly, I don't think they should write him completely off yet. Good dude I hope he picks up his play when he gets another chance. Not his fault he's another example of a player getting a long deal when the last couple/few years are a disaster for the team. #SeattleSkjei Roughly $50 million in career earnings to date. That buys a whole lot of sod to farm in Thunder Bay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sod16 Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 His contract is over before the expansion draft. They will try to get him to agree to a trade with retention, and barring that, he will be bought out. Healthy scratches should give them some leverage to accept a trade, but retention would probably not be enough, and who wants to trade him if it means taking an equally bad contract? Most likely result is various scratches followed by buy out. The amount he's paid in the buyout plus the amount paid to his young replacement will come out to about the same as keeping him, capwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted November 2, 2019 Share Posted November 2, 2019 I'm skeptical that they buy out another defenseman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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