[brooks] Strome, DeAngelo are Producing Their Way Out of New York?

2. The more points Tony DeAngelo and Ryan Strome put on the board, the more likely the two pending restricted free agents with salary arbitration rights will price themselves out of New York next season.

 

The Rangers, no different from approximately two-thirds of the teams in the NHL, are going to be up against it next season, especially if the salary cap increase is limited to the same 2.5 percent it was last summer.

 

DeAngelo, who maintains only a casual acquaintance with the defensive zone while being a dynamic attacker, has recorded eight points (4-4) in 10 games. If the 24-year-old finished with a 60-point season, which should be well within reach if No. 77 maintains his spot on the first power-play unit, he is likely looking at a two-year deal in the range of $4 million to $4.5 million per, given available comparables at capfriendly.com. Would the Rangers pay that?

 

Strome has 10 points (3-7) in a primary role in the middle that will necessarily change when Mika Zibanejad, out with an upper-body injury, returns. If the 26-year-old Strome registers around 60 points, which could be a challenge if he loses top-six time, then he is likely looking at $4.5 million to $5 million on a one-year deal leading to 2022 unrestricted free agency. Would the Rangers pay that?

 

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I have absolutely no problem moving either one of them for draft picks. They can also rename that article: "Strome, DeAngelo are Producing Their Way into higher draft picks for 2020"

 

Let's see where we are come the deadline, and I think it will be a lot clearer as to what to do with these guys.

Can't worry about this 10 games into the season. They'll make room for both guys if they're worthy. Personally, I'd like to see DeAngelo traded so his play is only a positive.

Why would we trade a 66 point defenseman? Until someone lives up to that potential on this roster, I WOULD NOT trade DeAngelo.... Strome could go if the offer is good enough. We have enough middle six plugs for that hole.

Why would we trade a 66 point defenseman? Until someone lives up to that potential on this roster, I WOULD NOT trade DeAngelo.... Strome could go if the offer is good enough. We have enough middle six plugs for that hole.

 

Because he can't play defense. That's why I'd trade him. With Fox and Miller soon in the mix, DeAngelo will have better players filling his role.

Strome I would keep because more or less you're giving Krieder money to Strome & TDA he's getting Fasth money, maybe a lil more.

Every day there’s a reason to trade guys. They’ll be rebuilding for 12 years. They don’t even know what they have in Kakko yet, and he was crazy hyped #2 pick. You need more than 4 guys that can play consistently and produce.

There is no reason to trade these guys except the cap crisis at the end of the year. I definitely would take a wait and see approach for a couple of months here until we get a clearer picture of just how tight the cap situation is going to be (ie, very tight or downright vise-like). I agree, keep on trading good players as soon as they mature and are due for a raise is a recipe for a perpetual rebuild.

 

Uncle Larry's points about the goalie situation in the same article are probably more concerning than Strome and DeAngelo.

I've been pumping Deangelo hard, but my goal for him is to put up 60 points and dumping him for a different need.

 

I don't see a need for him here if Fox pans out.

I think we could get a haul for a 60 point RFA D-man. Even with his defensive problems, teams love high scoring D-men.

 

 

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Even better if he keeps up his goal scoring and scores 15-20 goals.

 

 

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Love his offensive production and his ability on the PP.

 

But he’s a total liability in his own end. He’s awful without the puck. He’s got a history of being a cunt with a bad attitude. He’s with his 3rd organization in 5 years. And he didn’t sign his tender until camp started this year, for reasons that basically don’t exist.

 

Realistically, he’ll probably always produce to a high level offensively, but he’ll always have to be deployed very specifically, while being heavily sheltered, which limits his minutes, utility, and to a certain extent, his value.

 

They can move on next summer

 

I’m cool with the right side being Trouba-Fox-Lundqvist

does D'andre play leftside?

He wasn't this bad in his own end last year. He was pretty bad, but his outlets were sublime and he ended up a plus player (+6) on a team with an awful goal differential, to lead the team in +/-. Probably due to some careful usage from Quinn, but it shows it can be done.

Deangelo, yes. Strome, he could stick around as a wing if Kravtsov ends up in Hartford again. Depends on the ask.

 

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I never thought ADA was atrocious as some describe him. I think D can be taught, its the O that cant

I never thought ADA was atrocious as some describe him. I think D can be taught, its the O that cant

 

Aspects of D can be taught and improved upon for sure

But is he mature enough and selfless enough and disciplined enough to apply and stick to those things?

Aspects of D can be taught and improved upon for sure

But is he mature enough and selfless enough and disciplined enough to apply and stick to those things?

 

maybe not yet. but he haven't played a full season in the league yet. all those things can be taught too

The problem I have with trading DeAngelo is that 1) he is only 24, and 2) if he progresses defensively he's probably a top pairing, 60-70 point defenseman. You don't trade those. He really would just need a steady stay at home partner (no homo).

 

Like CCCP said, defense and positioning can be taught and learned. It can take quite a bit of time. What can't be taught is DeAngelo's pure offensive talent. I wasn't, and still am not, ready to commit long term, but he's a guy I'd want to keep around on a bridge deal to see what happens. If he hits his potential, I'd have no problems paying up at that point.

The problem I have with trading DeAngelo is that 1) he is only 24, and 2) if he progresses defensively he's probably a top pairing, 60-70 point defenseman. You don't trade those. He really would just need a steady stay at home partner (no homo).

 

Like CCCP said, defense and positioning can be taught and learned. It can take quite a bit of time. What can't be taught is DeAngelo's pure offensive talent. I wasn't, and still am not, ready to commit long term, but he's a guy I'd want to keep around on a bridge deal to see what happens. If he hits his potential, I'd have no problems paying up at that point.

 

I’m not optimistic that he’d settle for signing a bridge deal given that he’s been an asshole consistently and he held out last summer for no reason and with no leverage.

 

And “only” doesn’t work at 24. He’s not 19. He’s 24. Be a man.

I’m not optimistic that he’d settle for signing a bridge deal given that he’s been an asshole consistently and he held out last summer for no reason and with no leverage.

 

And “only” doesn’t work at 24. He’s not 19. He’s 24. Be a man.

 

I'm not sure what choice he has for the next couple of years. It would either be bridge deal, 1 year arbitration deal, or hold out and don't play?

 

Let's forget the age for a second and focus on less than 2 full seasons worth of NHL games. It takes time for some to learn the position at this level.

I like DeAngelo but my problem with him is he'll never be able to take a heavy foward out from the front of the net, like a Trouba. And again because of size, he pops the puck out behind the net from a heavy forecheck. He may be able to learn defense but physically he'll always be behind the 8 ball.

To answer the earlier question: Miller is lefty?LHD. But I agree with what was said earlier with Trouba, Fox as our top 2 right side defenseman why pay our 3rd pair defenseman. Especially one who held out and has a history of attitude issues big money. I would much rather go with Lundkvist as well. Save that money.

 

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If you Deangelo is over matched physically, just wait till you see Nils Lundqvist. He weighs less than Tony's balls.

If you Deangelo is over matched physically, just wait till you see Nils Lundqvist. He weighs less than Tony's balls.

 

i think Lundkvist will be able to add those 7 pounds over the next 5 years