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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    Let's say Z is out in the 6-8 week range. We all know we're lacking center depth right now. We all know it's near impossible to make the playoffs if you're out on Thanksgiving, let alone Christmas.

    If you're the GM, what do you do? Personally, I'd:

    1. Send Kakko and Fox down. Neither will benefit from racking up the losses. Kakko would really benefit from less pressure and playing with Chytil.

    2. Just roll with Lias as the 1 or 2C. How much worse can it get?

    3. Move Kreider and Fast sooner rather than later. See if Fast would like to come back as a UFA.

    4. Start a coaching search. Have to start thinking Quinn isn't the guy for this team. He takes a timeout yesterday and not one person is looking at him while he's yelling. Not a good sign.

    5. Lose, a lot.

    6. Draft Lafreniere or Byfield.

    7. Try again next year.
    Hmm. I was gonna say, bring Chytil up but I think you're right. If Zib is out for an extended period of time, the season is over. So, I'd put those kids in Hartford and have them win the league. That's what the Leafs have done and those kids are all stars now.

    I am really not a fan of having teenagers in the NHL lineup to begin with. I don't see the point in bringing them to the NHL to have their confidence shredded and then have to build them up again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G1000 View Post
    Agree to disagree there.

    Regardless, this is one weak-ass center class at the TDL. Mikko Koivu isn't getting moved unless he asks for it. Backstrom isn't going anywhere. Your top pure center - guaranteed on the market - is JG Pageau.

    There will be desperate teams bidding for goals at the TDL. Kreider's one of the best bets to deliver on that.
    Kreider would probably be a 40 goal scorer on team like, say, Boston. That would make all of us sick, but it's probably the truth. And I agree with you. I think Kreider will fetch a pretty penny at the TDL assuming he doesn't have an absolute clunker of a year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirtyONE View Post
    Hmm. I was gonna say, bring Chytil up but I think you're right. If Zib is out for an extended period of time, the season is over. So, I'd put those kids in Hartford and have them win the league. That's what the Leafs have done and those kids are all stars now.

    I am really not a fan of having teenagers in the NHL lineup to begin with. I don't see the point in bringing them to the NHL to have their confidence shredded and then have to build them up again.
    What kids are now all stars? Matthews, Marner, and Rielly never played a game in the AHL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmc51 View Post
    Kreider's would probably be a 40 goal scorer on team like, say, Boston. That would make all of us sick, but it's probably the truth. And I agree with you. I think Kreider will fetch a pretty penny at the TDL assuming he doesn't have an absolute clunker of a year.
    I wouldn't bat an eyelash at it, personally. As long as they got something of real value out of the deal. Same as I didn't care seeing Nash in a B's jersey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    Let's say Z is out in the 6-8 week range. We all know we're lacking center depth right now. We all know it's near impossible to make the playoffs if you're out on Thanksgiving, let alone Christmas.

    If you're the GM, what do you do? Personally, I'd:

    1. Send Kakko and Fox down. Neither will benefit from racking up the losses. Kakko would really benefit from less pressure and playing with Chytil.

    2. Just roll with Lias as the 1 or 2C. How much worse can it get?

    3. Move Kreider and Fast sooner rather than later. See if Fast would like to come back as a UFA.

    4. Start a coaching search. Have to start thinking Quinn isn't the guy for this team. He takes a timeout yesterday and not one person is looking at him while he's yelling. Not a good sign.

    5. Lose, a lot.

    6. Draft Lafreniere or Byfield.

    7. Try again next year.
    1: I keep at least Fox up. He belongs here IMO. Kakko has no confidence. He might be worth sending down to start gaining some, but I think we need to be a bit more patient with him and the current youngsters on the team in general. It's only been 9 games.
    2: Agreed, but I'd call Chytil up for 1C. Lias 2C.
    3: Seems like they wouldn't get as much now rather than later, so it depends. Could kind of take or leave bringing Fast back as a UFA. Really depends on term.
    4: Quinn inherited a garbage roster. He deserves more time, even though the lack of defensive structure combined with some of the lineup/rostering choices he has made seem suspect. Especially after the bad start.
    5: It's early, but ok if this is what happens.
    6: Feels like we used all of our luck to get Kakko. But hopefully not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmc51 View Post
    1: I keep at least Fox up. He belongs here IMO. Kakko has no confidence. He might be worth sending down to start gaining some, but I think we need to be a bit more patient with him and the current youngsters on the team in general. It's only been 9 games.
    2: Agreed, but I'd call Chytil up for 1C. Lias 2C.
    3: Seems like they wouldn't get as much now rather than later, so it depends. Could kind of take or leave bringing Fast back as a UFA. Really depends on term.
    4: Quinn inherited a garbage roster. He deserves more time, even though the lack of defensive structure combined with some of the lineup/rostering choices he has made seem suspect. Especially after the bad start.
    5: It's early, but ok if this is what happens.
    6: Feels like we used all of our luck to get Kakko. But hopefully not?
    What's your motivation for bringing the kids up? My motivation for sending them down is shielding them from all the losing. I feel like I'd rather have them win in Hartford then lose in the NHL.

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    I was a huge Krieder fan but no longer. In a contract year where he's looking to cash in his play has been absolute garbage when he should be leading the way for some of these kids. He looks completely uninterested and for the life of me I don't get it. Even if he's not scoring he should be flying around but instead outside of garbage time goals he's been an invisible passenger. I'm in the get rid of him as soon as you can column, Honestly I really don't see him as anything more than a rental because I would imagine he's going to look for a huge deal and I just can't see the value in any team giving it to him. Extremely disappointed I expected him to step way up given the circumstances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    What's your motivation for bringing the kids up? My motivation for sending them down is shielding them from all the losing. I feel like I'd rather have them win in Hartford then lose in the NHL.
    Chytil is the only one that wasn't (called up 20 minutes ago) here who I'd actually bring up. They just brought up Lindgren and I'm good with that too. He looked ready. Fox is an NHL player and belongs here. Chytil is an NHL player and belongs here. I've seen enough from Kakko to feel he is an NHL player and belongs here, despite the rough start. I don't want to get in the habit of sending NHL quality players to Hartford to baby them from losses just because the team might not be very good this year. If I was a player, I'd rather lose in the NHL than win in the AHL. Who knows, maybe handle that on a case by case basis depending on the player. I think they can handle some losing if it comes with NHL experience as long as it isn't for an extended period of time where losing starts to feel acceptable (multiple seasons). If that were to happen, they'd be looking for a coaching change to re-energize/realign the team. Some have tasted winning at different levels, like Kakko last year, and handling losses is a part of growing up and maturing. He's going through some things right now, and I'm very interested to see how he responds before moving him down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmc51 View Post
    Chytil is the only one that wasn't (called up 20 minutes ago) here who I'd actually bring up. They just brought up Lindgren and I'm good with that too. He looked ready. Fox is an NHL player and belongs here. Chytil is an NHL player and belongs here. I've seen enough from Kakko to feel he is an NHL player and belongs here, despite the rough start. I don't want to get in the habit of sending NHL quality players to Hartford to baby them from losses just because the team might not be very good this year. If I was a player, I'd rather lose in the NHL than win in the AHL. Who knows, maybe handle that on a case by case basis depending on the player. I think they can handle some losing if it comes with NHL experience as long as it isn't for an extended period of time where losing starts to feel acceptable (multiple seasons). If that were to happen, they'd be looking for a coaching change to re-energize/realign the team. Some have tasted winning at different levels, like Kakko last year, and handling losses is a part of growing up and maturing. He's going through some things right now, and I'm very interested to see how he responds before moving him down.
    Got it. Thanks for that.

    Kakkos expression from the box makes me feel like just because a player is NHL ready doesn't mean they're NHL caliber... Because there's a certain amount of pressure in the NHL.

    I think sending them down together, to play and win together, would be nice.

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    I agree with Pete

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmc51 View Post
    1: I keep at least Fox up. He belongs here IMO. Kakko has no confidence. He might be worth sending down to start gaining some, but I think we need to be a bit more patient with him and the current youngsters on the team in general. It's only been 9 games.
    2: Agreed, but I'd call Chytil up for 1C. Lias 2C.
    3: Seems like they wouldn't get as much now rather than later, so it depends. Could kind of take or leave bringing Fast back as a UFA. Really depends on term.
    4: Quinn inherited a garbage roster. He deserves more time, even though the lack of defensive structure combined with some of the lineup/rostering choices he has made seem suspect. Especially after the bad start.
    5: It's early, but ok if this is what happens.
    6: Feels like we used all of our luck to get Kakko. But hopefully not?


    Depends how bad we are, along with a tinge of good fortune.

    1st overall is obviously Lafreniere, but if we luck into 2nd, Byfield is a monster of a center.

    If we lose the lottery but we're still bad, Lundell should be there at 5th or so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugg View Post
    Zib is listed as "day to day", and Quinn said pointedly he did not sustain a concussion. Looked like ribs, or sternum or shoulder.

    Crazy idea; Tortarella might like to have Kreider back. Kreider/Milano, straight up, guy who ,loves going to the net, even if he isn't a physical guy? We have too many guys who don't shoot, can we get somebody who likes to score goals? Change of scenery for both.
    If I remember correctly, Torts wasn't Kreider fan .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    He knows he's playing for a contract, be it here or elsewhere. He couldn't possibly play any worse than he is of late (barring 2 garbage time goals). But his play has been poor in all areas. It's like he knows he's gone and could give a shit. I can totally smell "rental" all over him at the TDL.

    We can hold on to him until he "peaks"...we're in no hurry. He doesn't help the team or hurt the team either way. it's like he doesn't even exist...kinda like his game!!
    Is anyone still on board with giving him an extension? You'd think that after they dealt Namestnikov, that people would be saying it clears some space to extend Kreider... Nothing. Maybe he thinks the same.

    I'm all for dealing him. I just hope they get a need back, and not just more draft picks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    Is anyone still on board with giving him an extension? You'd think that after they dealt Namestnikov, that people would be saying it clears some space to extend Kreider... Nothing. Maybe he thinks the same.

    I'm all for dealing him. I just hope they get a need back, and not just more draft picks.
    Nope I did a 180 here based on his junk start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ozzy View Post
    Oh for sure Franny!! I don't think we'd want anything more than a 1st rounder. I'd leave a small cocoa puff in my BVD's right now if a team gave us a #1 for him!
    ????

    Kreider is going to bring back an absolute haul. First rounder, more picks AND a legit top prospect. I can't believe how much love has been lost for this guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    You'd think that after they dealt Namestnikov, that people would be saying it clears some space to extend Kreider... Nothing.
    Namestnikov being on the team had nothing to do with the Rangers' ability to extend Kreider. They're both set to be UFAs at the end of the season. Extensions don't take effect until the years they're signed for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drew a Penalty View Post
    Namestnikov being on the team had nothing to do with the Rangers' ability to extend Kreider. They're both set to be UFAs at the end of the season. Extensions don't take effect until the years they're signed for.
    True. Forgot Namestnikov is an impending FA, and thought an extension could be reached in season, which could help lower the cap hit by adding his lower salary from this year into the extension... Don't know why I thought that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    ????

    Kreider is going to bring back an absolute haul. First rounder, more picks AND a legit top prospect. I can't believe how much love has been lost for this guy.
    A rental winger that has never scored more than 28 goals and 53 points?

    I think we should be happy with a 1st


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    Quote Originally Posted by Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc View Post
    A rental winger that has never scored more than 28 goals and 53 points?

    I think we should be happy with a 1st


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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    ????

    Kreider is going to bring back an absolute haul. First rounder, more picks AND a legit top prospect. I can't believe how much love has been lost for this guy.
    I’ll take $1000 worth of whatever it is you’re on!

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