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    If the goal is to win this election from the Democrats point of view then a middle of the road right leaning candidate would pull the R vote and undecided voters. The D vote isn't going to deflect to Trump so all in all it would be the smart strategic play for the Dems I would imagine.

    I dont think Biden wins this election regardless of what polls can be pulled up. The same polls that showed Hilary winning too. If there was ever a chance for an Independent candidate to possibly win the presidency; this could be it depending on who the Dems put up.

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    If Biden wins the dems has better keep the house or I would expect a special counsel investigation in his family’s involvement in China and the Ukraine. Then an impeachment hearing for quid pro quo and bribery.

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    They actually have to have evidence to investigate. There's currently none.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsm7302 View Post
    If the goal is to win this election from the Democrats point of view then a middle of the road right leaning candidate would pull the R vote and undecided voters. The D vote isn't going to deflect to Trump so all in all it would be the smart strategic play for the Dems I would imagine.
    Yes, and potentially cause a significant portion of the current base to sit it out, thus negating the effect, if not inversing it. If you want a centrist who still appeals to the majority of Democratic positions, nominate Biden, Klobuchar, or Buttiegeg. Not Gabbard. Gabbard is basically a Republican by contrast.

    I dont think Biden wins this election regardless of what polls can be pulled up. The same polls that showed Hilary winning too. If there was ever a chance for an Independent candidate to possibly win the presidency; this could be it depending on who the Dems put up.
    Again, polls cannot account for Russian interference or Comey's day-before public sabotage. And she still carried the popular vote by more than three million.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    Yes, and potentially cause a significant portion of the current base to sit it out, thus negating the effect, if not inversing it. If you want a centrist who still appeals to the majority of Democratic positions, nominate Biden, Klobuchar, or Buttiegeg. Not Gabbard. Gabbard is basically a Republican by contrast.



    Again, polls cannot account for Russian interference or Comey's day-before public sabotage. And she still carried the popular vote by more than three million.
    Polls also can't count the electoral college (I don't think?) and the folks who are ashamed to admit they're voting for him.

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    It can't count the EC, but state-level polling can indicate who is leading in what states at what points. The latter can't be polled against.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    They actually have to have evidence to investigate. There's currently none.
    There’s never been an investigation. Hunter made millions for what? Political influence is the only thing that makes sense. Joe is on tape bragging about getting the prosecuted fired who was investigating his sons conpany. That is at the very least suspicious and needs to be investigated. Precedent has been set. He would have to be investigated to protect our constitutional republic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatfrancesa View Post
    There’s never been an investigation. Hunter made millions for what? Political influence is the only thing that makes sense. Joe is on tape bragging about getting the prosecuted fired who was investigating his sons conpany. That is at the very least suspicious and needs to be investigated. Precedent has been set. He would have to be investigated to protect our constitutional republic.
    Great. That's a problem for the Dems in the event Biden actually wins. None of this changes the fact that as a candidate, he has strong national polling numbers and that he'd be a strong nominee if the Dems opt to go the centrist route to sway independent voters without alienating their base (too much).
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    Well if he is the nominee he will have to eventually answer why his son was paid that money and what for. His bragging on camera about firing the prosecutor will be on trump ads until Election Day. He has to answer the question, even more so when trump gets impeached

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    I mean, he's already answered it. It was always a bad look (having his son sit on that board, regardless of what he was being paid). Becuase it was always going to have the appearance of impropriety despite his father's record on anti-corruption efforts.

    Politically, it was a misstep. But policy-wise, it served the foreign policy of the U.S. and the international community, all of whom supported firing the prosecutor. That may feel like a distinction without a difference, but the difference is there. Trump did this for personal political benefit. Biden did it because it was official U.S. policy.
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    Not sure how you know why he did besides what he said. Nobody has ever investigated it. His son has no reason to ever be in the board of anything. Joe Bidens judgement to allow that and then serve as the pointman with Ukraine is disqualifying in itself. This has nothing to do with trump. Bidens problems are his alone while trumps are his alone.

    What is Bidens record of anti corruption too?

    You mean anti not getting a cut?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatfrancesa View Post
    Not sure how you know why he did besides what he said. Nobody has ever investigated it. His son has no reason to ever be in the board of anything. Joe Bidens judgement to allow that and then serve as the pointman with Ukraine is disqualifying in itself. This has nothing to do with trump. Bidens problems are his alone while trumps are his alone.
    Investigated what? Burisma? Yes, they have. It's why there's absolutely no evidence of what Trump Republicans are suggesting/hinting at. They're tilting at windmills in the hopes it'll somehow also magically create an actual enemy.

    What is Bidens record of anti corruption too?

    You mean anti not getting a cut?
    I'm talking about his record in Ukraine — a country he largely helped reform.

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    Mr. Giuliani has claimed, without evidence, that Mr. Biden’s push to oust Mr. Shokin was an attempt to block scrutiny of his son’s actions. In fact, Mr. Biden was just one of many officials calling for Mr. Shokin to go. Good-government activists were protesting his actions in the streets, as were eurozone power players like Christine Lagarde, then the managing director of the International Monetary Fund, along with Ms. Nuland and Senate Republicans.

    “The position regarding getting rid of Shokin was not Vice President Biden’s position; it was the position of the U.S. government, as well as the European Union and international financial institutions,
    ” said Amos J. Hochstein, former coordinator for international energy affairs at the State Department and one of the few administration officials who directly confronted Mr. Biden at the time about his son.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/10/u...n-ukraine.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    Investigated what? Burisma? Yes, they have. It's why there's absolutely no evidence of what Trump Republicans are suggesting/hinting at. They're tilting at windmills in the hopes it'll somehow also magically create an actual enemy.



    I'm talking about his record in Ukraine — a country he largely helped reform.

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    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/10/u...n-ukraine.html
    Ukraine investigated Burisma and the prosecutor doing so was fired at Bidens demand. That’s not a legit or finished investigation. Ukraine is known for being the most corrupt places on earth yet you trust their investigation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatfrancesa View Post
    Ukraine investigated Burisma and the prosecutor doing so was fired at Bidens demand. That’s not a legit or finished investigation. Ukraine is known for being the most corrupt places on earth yet you trust their investigation?
    Dude. Read the text Phil posted.

    EU, US government, and a number of international financial institutions held the EXACT SAME POSITION as Biden. To say that the prosecutor was removed because of Biden when there are literally, what, 30 countries in the EU and god knows how much sway in the IMF is a deliberate factual perversion to fit the "What about Biden's kid" narrative that's supposed to "protect Trump" from being further investigated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G1000 View Post
    Dude. Read the text Phil posted.

    EU, US government, and a number of international financial institutions held the EXACT SAME POSITION as Biden. To say that the prosecutor was removed because of Biden when there are literally, what, 30 countries in the EU and god knows how much sway in the IMF is a deliberate factual perversion to fit the "What about Biden's kid" narrative that's supposed to "protect Trump" from being further investigated.
    What was kid doing there in the first place? Other countries wanting him removed doesn’t absolve the fact that Biden has personal reasons to remove him as well. Plenty of things are generally agreed upon yet never fixed or stood up to. And are these the same consensus of countries who had Iraq with wmds?

    “It’s not a good look” but move on. Ok makes sense

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    I mean a little research is all it takes.

    Biden et al pushed to have Shokin removed because his investigations into corruption had stalled.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nyt...unter.amp.html

    And lets just say this...Even if Biden is dirty... We've already heard in this thread that every politician is corrupt, right? So why is Trump just happening to be pressuring Ukraine to investigate his most threatening opponent? There is one answer... His own political gain.

    This is Hilary part 2. Trump needs a villain in his WWE sideshow to deflect from his own crimes, and now Biden is it. Trump ran on "Lock her up", and as soon as he got into office, it was forgotten about. Because in reality there's nothing to lock her (or Biden) up for.
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    Who cares about trump? This is the dem candidate thread. We are talking about Biden. Trying to cloud the discussion to discuss trump misses the point of this thread. Both can be dirty. If you want to discuss trump than start a thread to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatfrancesa View Post
    Who cares about trump? This is the dem candidate thread. We are talking about Biden. Trying to cloud the discussion to discuss trump misses the point of this thread. Both can be dirty. If you want to discuss trump than start a thread to do so.
    Well we can't talk about the Biden situation that YOU brought up without touching on Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    Well we can't talk about the Biden situation that YOU brought up without touching on Trump.
    Why?

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    I can’t bring up the Biden situation in the dem candidate thread?

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