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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    I think the biggest issue is that “you” (not directed specifically) don’t comprehend how EXTREME everything you mention... is. This is the “This is why Trump won” post. It’s so extreme, ignorant, short sighted and unrealistic. This won’t get the voters the democrats need to win the election.

    As much as I would get labeled a republican in here, I’m not. I’d vote for the best candidate. I’d vote Democrat. But when I hear/see that - “holy shit, Fuck No! OMG, I might wear a MAGA hat”
    Sorry, I don't see it at all. The idea that we could be spending our tax budget bettering ourselves being labeled "extreme, ignorant, shortsighted and unrealistic" is fundamentally wrong. Our tax revenue - even with the insane corporate dodges we see - is more than the GDP of all but three countries. One of those three countries is the USA. We certainly have the money.

    I think that reaction is dismissing the premise for the sake of not having the argument, or it's basically admitting that I'm right about at least one of my assertions around how Americans perceive the term socialism. I really hope it's not the whole "we're really that dumb and greedy" thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4EverRangerFrank View Post
    What's up with Pete and the lack of minority support? Is it a strong anti-gay demographic? IDK
    538 has a great piece on this question. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...-black-voters/
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    Quote Originally Posted by G1000 View Post
    Assuming that you're using CAD here, that's...

    $3.18 USD/Gallon for gas
    $265 for cell phone
    $132 for your internet/cable
    $4.54 for around 4/5 gallon of milk

    Your cell phone is wack, and your gas is higher than normal but within the realm of "yeah, we've paid that before". The rest is....par for the course, really.
    Canadian fuel is quite high. The average cost as is this week is 1.30 a liter. That comes out to just over 5 dollars per gallon


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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    538 has a great piece on this question. https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...-black-voters/
    Thx Phil. IMO Biden has a huge advantage from having been elected with Obama and the legacy effect that now accrues to him. Bluntly stated, if a black man chose Biden to be VP then heís worth a serious look on his own in this election. Thatís a very superficial way of assessing his candidacy with black voters but it may explain at least some of the support heís getting.

    Itís too soon to publicly go after Kamala with a VP offer but Iím sure her departure from the race is being calculated as a boost to someone like Pete, or Warren (who was very complimentary of KH during her appearance on The Last Word) or maybe as a compliment to Bloombergís bid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4EverRangerFrank View Post
    Thx Phil. IMO Biden has a huge advantage from having been elected with Obama and the legacy effect that now accrues to him. Bluntly stated, if a black man chose Biden to be VP then he’s worth a serious look on his own in this election. That’s a very superficial way of assessing his candidacy with black voters but it may explain at least some of the support he’s getting.

    It’s too soon to publicly go after Kamala with a VP offer but I’m sure her departure from the race is being calculated as a boost to someone like Pete, or Warren (who was very complimentary of KH during her appearance on The Last Word) or maybe as a compliment to Bloomberg’s bid.
    Absolutely. Someone like Pete, in particular, would probably jump at the opportunity to make stronger inroads with minority voters via Harris' name on his ticket.
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    Anyone like Tulsi Gabbard? I've come to think she would be the smart play for Democrats. As a person who tends to vote Republican; I'm very interested in Tulsi and Yang in the Dem race and could swing my vote. Outside of the box thinking and dont seem to politically driven but more so idea and moral driven.

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    As a person who tends to vote Republican, you're probably very interested in Gabbard because she's a Republican. Or, more appropriately, a conservative media darling. When the point of the election is to unseat the incumbent, I find it hard to believe there's value in running a candidate who the opposition favors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    As a person who tends to vote Republican, you're probably very interested in Gabbard because she's a Republican. Or, more appropriately, a conservative media darling. When the point of the election is to unseat the incumbent, I find it hard to believe there's value in running a candidate who the opposition favors.
    Wouldn't that be the exact reason? She'd pull R votes away from DT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    Wouldn't that be the exact reason? She'd pull R votes away from DT.
    While simultaneously disenfranchising the entire base that wants to fire him.

    If you want to pull R votes, nominate someone who can get them without heavily sacrificing from your core voter base — Biden.

    Have you seen Gabbard's numbers with women? Let alone minorities?

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    So what do we know about Gabbard’s base? For one thing, it’s overwhelmingly male —according to The Economist’s polling with YouGov, her support among men is in the mid-single digits, while her support among women is practically nonexistent.
    Gabbard’s supporters are also likely to fall outside of traditional Democratic circles. Her supporters, for instance, are more likely to have backed President Trump in 2016, hold conservative views or identify as Republican compared to voters backing the other candidates. An early November poll from The Economist/YouGov found that 24 percent of Democratic primary voters who voted for Trump in 2016 backed Gabbard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    While simultaneously disenfranchising the entire base that wants to fire him.

    If you want to pull R votes, nominate someone who can get them without heavily sacrificing from your core voter base ó Biden.

    Have you seen Gabbard's numbers with women? Let alone minorities?

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    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...gabbards-base/
    Oh I think she's a poor candidate, regardless.

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    Right. You're not wrong about her ability to draw R votes. The problem is she'd be getting them for all the wrong reasons — likely at the expense of the core of the Democratic base.

    If she switched parties and ran as a Republican tomorrow, I think she'd see a wave of support from the right.
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    If the goal is to win this election from the Democrats point of view then a middle of the road right leaning candidate would pull the R vote and undecided voters. The D vote isn't going to deflect to Trump so all in all it would be the smart strategic play for the Dems I would imagine.

    I dont think Biden wins this election regardless of what polls can be pulled up. The same polls that showed Hilary winning too. If there was ever a chance for an Independent candidate to possibly win the presidency; this could be it depending on who the Dems put up.

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    If Biden wins the dems has better keep the house or I would expect a special counsel investigation in his family’s involvement in China and the Ukraine. Then an impeachment hearing for quid pro quo and bribery.

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    They actually have to have evidence to investigate. There's currently none.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsm7302 View Post
    If the goal is to win this election from the Democrats point of view then a middle of the road right leaning candidate would pull the R vote and undecided voters. The D vote isn't going to deflect to Trump so all in all it would be the smart strategic play for the Dems I would imagine.
    Yes, and potentially cause a significant portion of the current base to sit it out, thus negating the effect, if not inversing it. If you want a centrist who still appeals to the majority of Democratic positions, nominate Biden, Klobuchar, or Buttiegeg. Not Gabbard. Gabbard is basically a Republican by contrast.

    I dont think Biden wins this election regardless of what polls can be pulled up. The same polls that showed Hilary winning too. If there was ever a chance for an Independent candidate to possibly win the presidency; this could be it depending on who the Dems put up.
    Again, polls cannot account for Russian interference or Comey's day-before public sabotage. And she still carried the popular vote by more than three million.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    Yes, and potentially cause a significant portion of the current base to sit it out, thus negating the effect, if not inversing it. If you want a centrist who still appeals to the majority of Democratic positions, nominate Biden, Klobuchar, or Buttiegeg. Not Gabbard. Gabbard is basically a Republican by contrast.



    Again, polls cannot account for Russian interference or Comey's day-before public sabotage. And she still carried the popular vote by more than three million.
    Polls also can't count the electoral college (I don't think?) and the folks who are ashamed to admit they're voting for him.

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    It can't count the EC, but state-level polling can indicate who is leading in what states at what points. The latter can't be polled against.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    They actually have to have evidence to investigate. There's currently none.
    There’s never been an investigation. Hunter made millions for what? Political influence is the only thing that makes sense. Joe is on tape bragging about getting the prosecuted fired who was investigating his sons conpany. That is at the very least suspicious and needs to be investigated. Precedent has been set. He would have to be investigated to protect our constitutional republic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatfrancesa View Post
    There’s never been an investigation. Hunter made millions for what? Political influence is the only thing that makes sense. Joe is on tape bragging about getting the prosecuted fired who was investigating his sons conpany. That is at the very least suspicious and needs to be investigated. Precedent has been set. He would have to be investigated to protect our constitutional republic.
    Great. That's a problem for the Dems in the event Biden actually wins. None of this changes the fact that as a candidate, he has strong national polling numbers and that he'd be a strong nominee if the Dems opt to go the centrist route to sway independent voters without alienating their base (too much).
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    Well if he is the nominee he will have to eventually answer why his son was paid that money and what for. His bragging on camera about firing the prosecutor will be on trump ads until Election Day. He has to answer the question, even more so when trump gets impeached

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