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Thread: The Rangers' Season Hinges on Success of Chytil, Howden, and Andersson

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmc51 View Post
    I don't necessarily disagree with this later down the road. He really has most of the attributes you look for in a 1C, but I think at the moment I'd just let him play his game as a winger rather than throw the defensive responsibility of playing center onto him.
    agree completely. no need to rush this. let's see what he is first playing with the big boys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rmc51 View Post
    I don't necessarily disagree with this later down the road. He really has most of the attributes you look for in a 1C, but I think at the moment I'd just let him play his game as a winger rather than throw the defensive responsibility of playing center onto him.
    Fair, but he doesn't need to be a Selke candidate. Not all centers are Bergeron. There are a ton of centers who lean offensively... You only need to be competent defensively.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirtyONE View Post
    One of the beat reporters said something interesting during Traverse City which was that the Rangers are really high on Henriksson and they expected him to be a part of the equation next season. Didn't say he was a lock to make the Rangers or anything but there will at least be someone pushing those three guys if they don't pan out.
    He is still under contract in Sweden, they let him come here for Traverse City and then he is going back. Hopefully next year he can come over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    Fair, but he doesn't need to be a Selke candidate. Not all centers are Bergeron. There are a ton of centers who lean offensively... You only need to be competent defensively.
    While true, we're already transitioning two wings to center in Chytil and Andersson.

    I think Kakko can get a few cracks at center toward the end of the year to get a sense for whether it'd be a thing or not, but I'd probably not bank on it. He just looks the part of a wing to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Future View Post
    He's a sure thing as a winger, but not as a C. If the responsibilities of being a C limit his playmaking, then it would be silly to move him.
    At this stage, it's hard to identify a lot of fundamental limitations in the kid. Rather than speculating on what they might be, I'm more inclined to think of Kakko as an exceptional piece of wood or clay. How do you carve or sculpt it to best fit the long term needs of the team. Happy to go slow and let him get his bearings, but that end product ought to be in mind. We have an elite playmaking wing for a long time; perhaps two as Kravtsov matures. A bigger marginal benefit looks to me like legit center depth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RodrigueGabriel View Post
    At this stage, it's hard to identify a lot of fundamental limitations in the kid. Rather than speculating on what they might be, I'm more inclined to think of Kakko as an exceptional piece of wood or clay. How do you carve or sculpt it to best fit the long term needs of the team. Happy to go slow and let him get his bearings, but that end product ought to be in mind. We have an elite playmaking wing for a long time; perhaps two as Kravtsov matures. A bigger marginal benefit looks to me like legit center depth.
    The bolded is the thinking that I don't agree with. That type of thinking shoehorns players into roles that limits their ceilings. The overall roster fit for a guy who is 18 should be secondary to development.

    I'd rather have to go out and find another center than limit Kakko's upside by molding him into a center.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G1000 View Post
    While true, we're already transitioning two wings to center in Chytil and Andersson.

    I think Kakko can get a few cracks at center toward the end of the year to get a sense for whether it'd be a thing or not, but I'd probably not bank on it. He just looks the part of a wing to me.
    While most of the time we've seen him he's been a winger... So it makes sense that he looks like a wing.

    I see no harm at all in trying him out at center and see how he looks there as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Future View Post
    The bolded is the thinking that I don't agree with. That type of thinking shoehorns players into roles that limits their ceilings. The overall roster fit for a guy who is 18 should be secondary to development.

    I'd rather have to go out and find another center than limit Kakko's upside by molding him into a center.
    This only comes out of a sense that putting him in a more pivotal (ha) position could raise rather than lower his ceiling, giving the Rangers basic strength down the middle for as fast the eye can see. The question is for the coaches to assess, but it would be crazy not to put it on the table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RodrigueGabriel View Post
    This only comes out of a sense that putting him in a more pivotal (ha) position could raise rather than lower his ceiling, giving the Rangers basic strength down the middle for as fast the eye can see. The question is for the coaches to assess, but it would be crazy not to put it on the table.

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    Yea, I'm not saying they shouldn't give him a look at some point, but I don't think the overall roster construction should really influence where Kakko plays. If he's an elite W but just a good C, leave him on the wing and build around him.

    For instance, I'd rather have him be Patrick Kane than Sean Couturier even if Couturier fills a more obvious hole on the roster.

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    if we're desperate for a center, we could always trade Kakko for Hughes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RodrigueGabriel View Post
    Tell me why this is a bad idea. I think Kaako should move to center. He is the closest to a sure thing that we've ever had. He has all the attributes of a quality C. He is 8 years younger than Zibanejad, with plenty of time to grow into the position. Shouldn't the best player be groomed to be the eventual 1C, the most important position?

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    Would not be out of the realm of possibility that Kakko or Kravstov or both could someday very soon play center.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    While most of the time we've seen him he's been a winger... So it makes sense that he looks like a wing.

    I see no harm at all in trying him out at center and see how he looks there as well.
    I agree that there's no harm in trying. I wouldn't want to see us force it at the expense of letting the best parts of his game become truly elite.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G1000 View Post
    I agree that there's no harm in trying. I wouldn't want to see us force it at the expense of letting the best parts of his game become truly elite.
    Once you're in the O zone, it's all the same. Major difference is D zone coverage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    Once you're in the O zone, it's all the same. Major difference is D zone coverage.
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    saw the Quinn presser where he states he'd rather have kakko concentrate on the wing given the defensive abilities a good center must possess. given that it would appear he stays on the wing until management is comfortable in his development.
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    Quinn has been talking up Chytil so far in camp. Seems very impressed by his demeanor this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slobberknocker View Post
    i wouldn't mind a good effort missing the playoffs and being in the top 10 of next years draft which is pretty damn deep from what the reporting says.
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    I don't quite agree. The goal of every game is to try to win, but if they don't win and the kids develop, then that's OK.
    I'd be perfectly happy hovering around the .500 mark for the season with a lot of competitive one goal losses. I want one more year of high quality draft picks to cement this process.
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    Once you're in the O zone, it's all the same. Major difference is D zone coverage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    I don't really agree with the premise that the success of the Rangers relies on young players this season.

    The goal of this season is learning and development.
    It always starts with the goaltender. Right now I think we are weak in goal, Henrik is old and we don't know what Georgiev is in terms of a day to day player. Also noticed in PS our defense still sucks. Can we please say goodbye to Mark Stahl already?
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