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    We all knew signing Panarin meant other changes. If it means 1-2 trades are done at under market value than that is the cost, and well worth it.

    It isn't really cap hell. They have an easy out if they buyout Shattenkirk as there's enough money coming off the books next year to absorb it. It seems apparent this is the least preferred option, as it should be, but it is a viable option.

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    Not a problem.
    Plenty of summer left.

    - Dont give away assets
    - Dont compound cap "issues" by making moves that hurt cap space in subsequent seasons
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    Quote Originally Posted by Future View Post
    Then I guess neither were Zucc, Hayes, Miller, Nash or Mac.
    No, and rightly so.

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    It is going to be a problem though. Money comes off soon but only to give to raises that will be due. The problem here is the rangers salary structure is screwy. They are heavily investing on the wing. Defense and center is what costs and if you don’t develop your own your going to need cap space to acquire it. The rangers are going to have 8-10 players on elcs this season and they have a cap problem. How do you not see the future problem when it’s already here and going to get worse if they buyout players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Future View Post
    Then I guess neither were Zucc, Hayes, Miller, Nash or Mac.
    I have no idea what you're even talking about now.

    You're upset they haven't either traded Kreider or signed him yet. What does that have to do with players from two seasons ago?

    Kreider is not priority because Trouba is. Then Buch. Then defense.... Kreider is somewhere down the list but he's also signed and the Rangers don't technically have to do anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirtyONE View Post
    I think this is an overreaction, much like the article is an over reaction.

    "No plan" is just plain panicked fan-speak.
    Gorton and Davidson have from the end of the season done a remarkable job, even if the Kakko pick was simply luck. I'll trust they know what they're doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Future View Post
    It is if they can't dump Strome and Namest.
    Not when they can bury Smith in Hartford and all 4 of their bad contracts come off the books in 24 months

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    is there still a cap hit for burying Smith's contract? or does it completely come off the books?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Future View Post
    Then I guess neither were Zucc, Hayes, Miller, Nash or Mac.
    How is the state of the team and the age of the players not a consideration here?

    I hate when people automatically disregard or act disingenuous when it suits them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlairBettsBlocksEverything View Post
    is there still a cap hit for burying Smith's contract? or does it completely come off the books?
    $3,275,000 cap hit when buried


    Quote Originally Posted by CapFriendly
    What is a Buried Contract?
    Teams do not receive full cap relief when a player on a one-way NHL contract is reassigned to the American Hockey League, or is loaned to a team in another professional league.
    The players salary cap hit, minus the sum of the minimum NHL salary for the respective season and $375,000, still counts towards the team’s salary cap total.
    The cap hit relief is therefore equal to the minimum salary of the respective season + $375,000:

    2014-15: $550,000 + $375,000 = $925,000
    2015-16: $575,000 + $375,000 = $950,000
    2016-17: $575,000 + $375,000 = $950,000
    2017-18: $650,000 + $375,000 = $1,025,000
    2018-19: $650,000 + $375,000 = $1,025,000
    2019-20: $700,000 + $375,000 = $1,075,000
    2020-21: $700,000 + $375,000 = $1,075,000
    2021-22: $750,000 + $375,000 = $1,125,000
    https://www.capfriendly.com/faq#retained
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    I think the overall cap implications of burying Smith in Hartford versus a buyout are about the same. The Hartford option would confine the problem to the next two years but places an inevitable malcontent with a team we are trying to revamp as a development program.

    A lot of posters are clinging to the idea that Shattenkirk can be moved with one-half retention and that Names can be moved without retention. If those deals were readily doable, they would have been done. Who would want and over paid Names for a year? If he has another year like last year, he's an overpaid cap liability. If he improves, he can walk at the end of the year. Not very attractive.

    I think we need to get our hands around the idea of Kreider starting this year without a new contract. It will not be a forgone conclusion that that means he is dealt at the deadline. We can only hope that deals not currently available become doable during the season and then we can address the Kreider situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    $3,275,000 cap hit when buried




    https://www.capfriendly.com/faq#retained
    You mean $3.275 gets buried, right?

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    They're going to have to staple Andersson to a bad contract like Shattenkirk and take the hit. Mid level prospect or 2nd rounder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravesy View Post
    There is no “cap hell“. Like every other team in the league, the Rangers have some decisions to make. None of them are particularly significant. This is complete horse shit imo.
    There is if you can't dump Namestnikov. It forces them to buyout Shattenkirk + Smith, or to trade Kreider, who may have been traded anyway, but won't be dealt for max value because of the timing and the fact other teams recognize the bind the Rangers are in. It may not quite be "hell," but it's getting too hot for comfort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sod16 View Post
    I think the overall cap implications of burying Smith in Hartford versus a buyout are about the same. The Hartford option would confine the problem to the next two years but places an inevitable malcontent with a team we are trying to revamp as a development program.

    A lot of posters are clinging to the idea that Shattenkirk can be moved with one-half retention and that Names can be moved without retention. If those deals were readily doable, they would have been done. Who would want and over paid Names for a year? If he has another year like last year, he's an overpaid cap liability. If he improves, he can walk at the end of the year. Not very attractive.

    I think we need to get our hands around the idea of Kreider starting this year without a new contract. It will not be a forgone conclusion that that means he is dealt at the deadline. We can only hope that deals not currently available become doable during the season and then we can address the Kreider situation.
    Maybe Tampa would want Names back since he had such good chemistry there? He's a very serviceable middle 6 forward. I'm not even sure I want to deal him with all these new faces coming in. Maybe he clicks with Panarin?

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    If they didn't, stupidly, give Shattenkirk a massive bonus in the final year he'd already be an Ottawa Senator. Why did they do that? Once that's paid there will be no shortage of takers, but that a year from now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RangersIn7 View Post
    You mean $3.275 gets buried, right?
    No. Cap hit. Just over $1m in cap hit is “buried”. Still saddled with the 3.275 cap hit when in ahl.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    They're going to have to staple Andersson to a bad contract like Shattenkirk and take the hit. Mid level prospect or 2nd rounder.

    They can get rid of the cap space without giving up assets. They aren’t in caphell like Toronto’s and aren’t trying to win the cup next season, either. The goal is to win every season in the 2020s. No reason to be giving up any assets right now.
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    BTW, I've never gotten straight, and I'm not sure if anyone has straight, what Staal's NMC situation is. Going back to the time he signed the contract there have been conflicting reports as to whether it is a full NMC for the duration or a full NMC for the first three years and a modified one thereafter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sod16 View Post
    BTW, I've never gotten straight, and I'm not sure if anyone has straight, what Staal's NMC situation is. Going back to the time he signed the contract there have been conflicting reports as to whether it is a full NMC for the duration or a full NMC for the first three years and a modified one thereafter.
    Capfriendly has it as a NMC throughout the entire contract.

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