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The Salary-Cap Hell the Rangers are Still Trying to Navigate


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Just enough time for Shattenkirk or Smith to develop some kind of career ending back problem that conveniently puts them on LTIR for the rest of their contracts

 

LTIR isn't free money — it's a mechanism by which teams who otherwise exceed the cap can do so plus the value of the LTIR contract.

 

In other words, if Shattenkirk developed the same skin rash as Hossa, that $6M+ is only available to the Rangers in the event they exceed the cap, and only up to whatever the full AAV of Shattenkirk is.

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It is...If we're saying Kreider isn't a priority, then neither were any of those guys, because they're doing the exact same thing. I think they were all a priority, to varying degrees.
Kreider not being signed in July doesn't mean they don't have a plan. They probably have several plans, to be honest.

 

Kreider not being a priority doesn't mean they have no plan. They probably view him with a value to the team than maybe you do.

 

Reality is that he's not critical. They're deep on the wings and they can live without him. If he's moved this summer and they don't think they're as deep as they want to be, they'll make a trade or a run at Hall.

 

If he's not moved this summer and plays the year as a potential UFA, if they're a playoff team, he's their rental. If they're not he'll be moved.

 

The difference between Kreider and the other guys you mentioned is that the state of the team is much different now. Everyone knew those guys were moving, and why.

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Not when they can bury Smith in Hartford and all 4 of their bad contracts come off the books in 24 months

2 years from now isn't a problem. Right now is.

 

If Trouba makes $7.2m, then, right now, the Rangers do not have the cap space for him alone, let alone him, Buch, ADA, and Lemieux. The cap limit is $81.5m, and they're currently at $74.4.

 

Buying out Smith and Shatty saves you ~$8.5m this year, which gives you most of the wiggle room you need. But they carry $9m of dead cap next year.

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Kreider not being signed in July doesn't mean they don't have a plan. They probably have several plans, to be honest.

 

Kreider not being a priority doesn't mean they have no plan. They probably view him with a value to the team than maybe you do.

 

Reality is that he's not critical. They're deep on the wings and they can live without him. If he's moved this summer and they don't think they're as deep as they want to be, they'll make a trade or a run at Hall.

 

If he's not moved this summer and plays the year as a potential UFA, if they're a playoff team, he's their rental. If they're not he'll be moved.

 

The difference between Kreider and the other guys you mentioned is that the state of the team is much different now. Everyone knew those guys were moving, and why.

Well first of all, Kreider is just one small piece of why I say they have no plan, not the entire thing. Several plans pretty much just means no plan.

 

They flat out said that they don't want to go into this season with players on expiring contracts like they did last year, so they aren't going to try to view Kreider as a rental.

 

State of the team is the same it was then. When that season started, they said they were trying to "rebuild on the fly" or whatever, and were still positioning themselves as a playoff team - especially when they signed Shatty. If they played better and didn't have the injuries, they probably don't send the letter. This year it's the same thing with Panarin and Trouba. They might end up being bad, but the expectations are absolutely raised.

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LTIR isn't free money — it's a mechanism by which teams who otherwise exceed the cap can do so plus the value of the LTIR contract.

 

In other words, if Shattenkirk developed the same skin rash as Hossa, that $6M+ is only available to the Rangers in the event they exceed the cap, and only up to whatever the full AAV of Shattenkirk is.

 

just meant it in jest :slats:

 

but yeah we have plenty of time to address the cap issue and im not worried

 

the use of the word cap hell would imply we have to trade key players to get under the cap.

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Well first of all, Kreider is just one small piece of why I say they have no plan, not the entire thing. Several plans pretty much just means no plan.

 

They flat out said that they don't want to go into this season with players on expiring contracts like they did last year, so they aren't going to try to view Kreider as a rental.

 

State of the team is the same it was then. When that season started, they said they were trying to "rebuild on the fly" or whatever, and were still positioning themselves as a playoff team - especially when they signed Shatty. If they played better and didn't have the injuries, they probably don't send the letter. This year it's the same thing with Panarin and Trouba. They might end up being bad, but the expectations are absolutely raised.

The state of the team is night and day.

 

Those teams didn't have the top talent to compete, on the team or in the pipeline and they had no picks. So we're already a thousand percent different today than the day Nash and Grabner were traded. Or Stepan, to be honest.

 

What they say in the media about not wanting expiring contracts on the team could purely be fodder or a mechanism to get Kreider signed. They surely don't care about Strome and Names on expiring deals.

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just meant it in jest :slats:

 

but yeah we have plenty of time to address the cap issue and im not worried

 

the use of the word cap hell would imply we have to trade key players to get under the cap.

It is cap hell because it's really hard to move junk out and take no salary back.

 

They have to be banking on buyouts this year and big jump in cap next year.

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2 years from now isn't a problem. Right now is.

 

If Trouba makes $7.2m, then, right now, the Rangers do not have the cap space for him alone, let alone him, Buch, ADA, and Lemieux. The cap limit is $81.5m, and they're currently at $74.4.

 

Buying out Smith and Shatty saves you ~$8.5m this year, which gives you most of the wiggle room you need. But they carry $9m of dead cap next year.

 

Which isn't actually a problem. They have no one of importance to keep next year (unless you think Georgiev is going to cost them an arm and a leg).

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It is cap hell because it's really hard to move junk out and take no salary back.

 

They have to be banking on buyouts this year and big jump in cap next year.

 

Buyouts, yes. Big jump, eh. It can go up the same 2.5–5% and they'll be just fine. There's no one they need to lock up next summer and arguably nothing on the free-agent market they need to add.

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Buyouts, yes. Big jump, eh. It can go up the same 2.5?5% and they'll be just fine. There's no one they need to lock up next summer and arguably nothing on the free-agent market they need to add.
They might need to try and add a wing if they move CK.
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They might need to try and add a wing if they move CK.

 

Maybe, yeah, but it's still entirely plausible to eat the dead cap and still accomplish everything they want to.

 

They don't necessarily need to go after the most expensive winger in this case either.

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Which isn't actually a problem. They have no one of importance to keep next year (unless you think Georgiev is going to cost them an arm and a leg).

No, but it means you are basically rolling with the same team you have this year, because, depending on the cap, they'd only have like $8m in space and 4-5 empty forward spots + Georgiev. That's pretty tight. So no, the cap hit next year won't cost you anybody, but it makes any significant improvement all but impossible.

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There isn't cap hell and the buyouts aren't a big deal.

 

- need about $16M for the 4 RFA's

 

- buying out Smith and Shattenkirk, burying Beleskey, and sending down McKegg/Neives + the current cap space is just over $17M. That's with Names, Strome, and Kreider still there.

 

- next year Smith/Shattenkirk dead space goes up by $6.7M

 

- Girarid's dead space goes down + Names, Strome, Fast, and Beleskey are gone = $12.2M, which covers Smith/Shattenkirk dead space with $5.5M left over.

 

- And that's still without addressing Kreider. If Kreider is gone its $10.1M in space next year.

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No, but it means you are basically rolling with the same team you have this year, because, depending on the cap, they'd only have like $8m in space and 4-5 empty forward spots + Georgiev. That's pretty tight. So no, the cap hit next year won't cost you anybody, but it makes any significant improvement all but impossible.

 

4-5 empty spots?

 

Buch - Zib - Kakko

Panarin - Chytil - Kravtsov

Lemieux - Andersson -

Howden

 

Where are you trying to significantly improve your forwards in 2020? You need a third liner and two fourth liners.

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4-5 empty spots?

 

Buch - Zib - Kakko

Panarin - Chytil - Kravtsov

Lemieux - Andersson -

Howden

 

Where are you trying to significantly improve your forwards in 2020? You need a third liner and two fourth liners.

So an entire 4th line and a 13th is 4. If Chytil isnt effective at 2c or you don't have enough scoring on the wing, it's 5, and that 5th guy is going to be expensive.

 

You literally have 2 proven NHL scorers in this lineup lol

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So an entire 4th line and a 13th is 4. If Chytil isnt effective at 2c or you don't have enough scoring on the wing, it's 5, and that 5th guy is going to be expensive.

 

You literally have 2 proven NHL scorers in this lineup lol

 

and more junk on the back line, perhaps it's lottery time again.

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No, but it means you are basically rolling with the same team you have this year, because, depending on the cap, they'd only have like $8m in space and 4-5 empty forward spots + Georgiev. That's pretty tight. So no, the cap hit next year won't cost you anybody, but it makes any significant improvement all but impossible.

 

I mean, I'm probably fine with that. Because this "same team," is also going to be one year deeper on Kakko and Kravtsov, and you can probably add someone like Miller to next year's roster, further improving the offensive potency of the team.

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Dumping any two of Kreider/Namestnikov/Buch really mitigates the positive impact of adding Panarin. Probably not totally, and certainly not forever, but in the short term it almost renders the Panarin addition moot in terms of positive impact.
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I mean, I'm probably fine with that. Because this "same team," is also going to be one year deeper on Kakko and Kravtsov, and you can probably add someone like Miller to next year's roster, further improving the offensive potency of the team.

I mean that's fine, but if they go into the playoffs and only have one scoring line, I don't think leadership is going to view it that way. They're going to want to be players. But regardless, they aren't going to have a choice, and that's never a good position to be in, especially when you have those young guys on ELCs.

 

K'andre? It's pretty wishful thinking to expect a rookie D to come in and make that kind of difference.

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Dumping any two of Kreider/Namestnikov/Buch really mitigates the positive impact of adding Panarin. Probably not totally, and certainly not forever, but in the short term it almost renders the Panarin addition moot in terms of positive impact.

I wouldn't include Namestnikov there, but this has been my concern. Panarin is way more impactful if Kreider is there on the second line.

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4-5 empty spots?

 

Buch - Zib - Kakko

Panarin - Chytil - Kravtsov

Lemieux - Andersson -

Howden

 

Where are you trying to significantly improve your forwards in 2020? You need a third liner and two fourth liners.

 

That's looking like it could be a long year with two high quality NHL'ers, Kakko and who's knows what.

 

So an entire 4th line and a 13th is 4. If Chytil isnt effective at 2c or you don't have enough scoring on the wing, it's 5, and that 5th guy is going to be expensive.

 

You literally have 2 proven NHL scorers in this lineup lol

You figure, everyone is a year older. Get returned from Strome and Kreider from deadline trades. Call up 1 from AHL, bring over a recent draft pick for another 1.

 

If none of Chytil, Kravtsov, Kakko, Howden, Andersson, etc become a top 6 forward, then it doesnt matter anyway. But at this point in a rebuild, you cant run your team by "What is Player X doesnt turn out to be Position Y??"

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2 years from now isn't a problem. Right now is.

 

If Trouba makes $7.2m, then, right now, the Rangers do not have the cap space for him alone, let alone him, Buch, ADA, and Lemieux. The cap limit is $81.5m, and they're currently at $74.4.

 

Buying out Smith and Shatty saves you ~$8.5m this year, which gives you most of the wiggle room you need. But they carry $9m of dead cap next year.

 

Right now is hardly insurmountable though. Burying Smith and trading Kreider probably gives you the money you need for this season.

Then next summer, you can do buyouts when it?s only 2 years of dead space instead of 4. Or maybe at that point Shatty can be dealt or perhaps maybe Staal decides to retire.

 

Let go of the Kreider extension man. You want him for 8 more years? $50 million? Pay him till he?s 36?

Deal him and get what you can.

 

 

Love the guy, but I want no part of that!

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Dumping any two of Kreider/Namestnikov/Buch really mitigates the positive impact of adding Panarin. Probably not totally, and certainly not forever, but in the short term it almost renders the Panarin addition moot in terms of positive impact.

 

One of these things is not like the others.

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