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    Pavel Buchnevich, Jacob Trouba File for Arbitration

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    A second buyout window?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AliveIn94 View Post
    A second buyout window?

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    Yup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AliveIn94 View Post
    A second buyout window?

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    There was a buyout period before UFA to clear cap space.

    Now, since the Rangers have arbitration cases, they will have another window after the rulings to manage their cap.

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    So Buch and Trouba are eventually signing and giving the team more leeway with the cap as well?

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    Yeah, they’ve probably been asked to file.
    Somebody’s getting bought out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravesy View Post
    Somebody’s getting bought out.
    Please let it be me!

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    They can still sign before arbitration, right?
    I don't think I know what filing for arbitration really means.

    Edit - and after reading some posts, this is helpful to us...is that just because of the second buyout window?
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    Quote Originally Posted by phillyb™ View Post
    They can still sign before arbitration, right?
    I don't think I know what filing for arbitration really means.

    Edit - and after reading some posts, this is helpful to us...is that just because of the second buyout window?
    Arbitration is a third party that determines the salary of a player based on hearing testimony from each side.

    Essentially, this is an "end date" with the players rights locked into that team (unless the elects to walk away from the arbitration award).
    They can continue to negotiate terms up until the final decision is given by the arbitrator.
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    A bit risky too unless there was a *understanding* between the parties before filing. Not ethical, and possibly not legal either, but certainly can happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phillyb™ View Post
    They can still sign before arbitration, right?
    I don't think I know what filing for arbitration really means.

    Edit - and after reading some posts, this is helpful to us...is that just because of the second buyout window?
    They also can't have a offer sheet tended to them by another team.

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    Doesn't this scream Smith buy out because we couldn't trade some middle 6ers to free cap space?

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    They typically settle immediately before the hearing. Do they still get the second UFA period if they settle before the hearing?

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    I'm struggling to think of comparable players for Trouba. The $7.5+ mil per season seems kind of high to me based on his past performance. I was looking at a little more than a guy like Esa Lindell or Ristolainen. I imagined that he would come in closer to $7 mil a season when we first got him but I might end up being a mil off each year.

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    If we pay Trouba less than 8 I'll be absolutely thrilled. That said, I think he's worth 8.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin View Post
    I'm struggling to think of comparable players for Trouba. The $7.5+ mil per season seems kind of high to me based on his past performance. I was looking at a little more than a guy like Esa Lindell or Ristolainen. I imagined that he would come in closer to $7 mil a season when we first got him but I might end up being a mil off each year.
    He can be in the #2 D tier with McDonagh , OEL, Byfuglien, Vlasic
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    6.5 is the number for me, or bridge him. 8 for Trouba is an over pay.

    He's played a full season twice, and has been over THIRTY points only twice, and, those two facts don't even correlate. He had a season with 20 points in 80 games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunny View Post
    6.5 is the number for me, or bridge him. 8 for Trouba is an over pay.

    He's played a full season twice, and has been over THIRTY points only twice, and, those two facts don't even correlate. He had a season with 20 points in 80 games.
    This is where my head is at. It's too big a leap and risk for me that he'll somehow become a consistent stud.

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    He has to played full season because of hold outs. To avoid that, lock it down long term. 7y x hopefully under 8. The lower the better.

    Based on only giving up Pionk, I’m more lenient with the cap hit. (If under 8)
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    Trouba stepped up to 50 points because he got a lot more PP time due to Buff's injury, including 10 more PP assists than he had ever had before. He clamored for opportunity. He got more, he delivered more.

    On that basis, I would weight last year a lot higher than his 21 yo season (81g, 21p) - regarding it as a strong positive trend rather than a possible anomaly. He is headed for more opportunity than he's ever seen before and is potentially a lynch pin of the team. Don't pay him like you're making an arbitration argument and don't believe in him. $7.5 with reachable performance incentives.

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