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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirtyONE View Post
    Fact is Trouba is a #1 Dman. To pay him 8m a season for the next 7 is completely fair.
    Right. The "best" argument against him as a 1D is that he's in the middle of the pack among 1Ds. I'll take that all day long when the alternative is <checks notes> not having a 1D.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    Right. The "best" argument against him as a 1D is that he's in the middle of the pack among 1Ds. I'll take that all day long when the alternative is <checks notes> not having a 1D.
    First off, fine by me on the contract. He comes in at 7/53, aces. 25 year old #1s don't grow on trees.

    Second, by the definition of #1 defender as it is today, there aren't even 30 of them in the league. There might not even be 20. Saying Trouba is a middle of the pack 1D is easily flipped into "guy is a top 20 defender in the league"
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    Man if we snag Trouba for $7.5 million that's a steal to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G1000 View Post
    First off, fine by me on the contract. He comes in at 7/53, aces. 25 year old #1s don't grow on trees.

    Second, by the definition of #1 defender as it is today, there aren't even 30 of them in the league. There might not even be 20. Saying Trouba is a middle of the pack 1D is easily flipped into "guy is a top 20 defender in the league"
    Right. Look at RHD in the league. Where is he in that list, eighth-best? Tenth? Who cares. Pay him.

    The alternative is significantly worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    Right. Look at RHD in the league. Where is he in that list, eighth-best? Tenth? Who cares. Pay him.

    The alternative is significantly worse.
    The alternative is the eternal bridesmaid syndrome that plagued us in the early part of the decade. We never got the big gun; this is the big gun.
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    For what it's worth, Corsica rates Trouba as the 25th best RHD. I don't know the guts of their processs of "stacking" different ratings well enough to defend it or attack it. I do know Trouba was frustrated at being stacked behind Byfiglien and maybe the advent of 1D PP minutes and a leadership role bring out his best. In any case, he has the leverage to demand 1D money and I doubt we're going to walk away from that.

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    He's really McDonaughish, is he not?

    That's how I've viewed him, anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunny View Post
    He's really McDonaughish, is he not?

    That's how I've viewed him, anyways.
    Better puck mover, I think. A bit less steady on the back-end; he defends by possession more than by position.
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    hope there are no "no movement/no trade clauses"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunny View Post
    He's really McDonaughish, is he not?

    That's how I've viewed him, anyways.
    Pretty much


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    Quote Originally Posted by CCCP View Post
    hope there are no "no movement/no trade clauses"
    "You can wish in one hand and crap in the other — see which gets filled first,"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    Right. Look at RHD in the league. Where is he in that list, eighth-best? Tenth? Who cares. Pay him.

    The alternative is significantly worse.
    The other alternative is that you've invested huge money and a 1st-round pick in a guy who doesn't move the needle for your team, beyond moving from 14th to...8th, and I don't think he does. I mean, I'll ask the same question as I did about Hartman or acquiring Panarin but losing Kreider - what's the actual point? They aren't moves that make you so much better that you're a Cup contender right now.

    It is ridiculously poor philosophy to sign a guy simply because "we don't have one." So what if you don't have a #1 RD right now? Unless they fathom themselves contenders this year, it doesn't matter.

    At some point, with all the draft capital they've invested in the defense, you have to trust that you got it right somewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    "You can wish in one hand and crap in the other — see which gets filled first,"

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirtyONE View Post
    Fact is Trouba is a #1 Dman. To pay him 8m a season for the next 7 is completely fair.
    It's not a fact, it remains to be seen, actually. He's never been a #1D, so we don't know what he is.

    He's our #1, and I do think he's going to be overpaid, unfortunately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Future View Post
    The other alternative is that you've invested huge money and a 1st-round pick in a guy who doesn't move the needle for your team, beyond moving from 14th to...8th, and I don't think he does. I mean, I'll ask the same question as I did about Hartman or acquiring Panarin but losing Kreider - what's the actual point? They aren't moves that make you so much better that you're a Cup contender right now.

    It is ridiculously poor philosophy to sign a guy simply because "we don't have one." So what if you don't have a #1 RD right now? Unless they fathom themselves contenders this year, it doesn't matter.

    At some point, with all the draft capital they've invested in the defense, you have to trust that you got it right somewhere.
    This is a false dilemma. It presumes that there isn't a third solution in which the Rangers got it right somewhere — e.g. have top-four or top-two defenders in house (Lundkvist, Miller, Rykov) — and keep Trouba.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    This is a false dilemma. It presumes that there isn't a third solution in which the Rangers got it right somewhere — e.g. have top-four or top-two defenders in house (Lundkvist, Miller, Rykov) — and keep Trouba.
    No, it doesn't presume that. It means that there's a gross contradiction in the organization where they invest all this draft capital, but don't think it's good enough and have spent all of this time acquiring draft picks and young assets, but aren't going to give them time to grow without the expectation of winning right now. The logic has been flawed since the Stepan trade and though they've done a good job acquiring pieces, they have done an awful job at having any sort of a coherent plan.

    I mean, if they don't view Kreider as a long-term piece, they sure as shit should have known that last season, and there should be no more discussion about what to do with him. They've gotten way too cute under the guise of being patient, and now they're trying to play catch-up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Future View Post
    No, it doesn't presume that. It means that there's a gross contradiction in the organization where they invest all this draft capital, but don't think it's good enough and have spent all of this time acquiring draft picks and young assets, but aren't going to give them time to grow without the expectation of winning right now. The logic has been flawed since the Stepan trade and though they've done a good job acquiring pieces, they have done an awful job at having any sort of a coherent plan. I mean, if they don't view Kreider as a long-term piece, they sure as shit should have known that last season, and there should be no more discussion about what to do with him. They've gotten way too cute under the guise of being patient, and now they're trying to play catch-up.
    what do you mean? their plan is to acquire as much young talent as possible. fox and trouba fit exactly that. All other prospects are just that, prospects. there's no guarantee that they will make the NHL or stick around. Having Miller, Rykov, and Lundkvist in the system should not stop you from acquiring other defensemen.

    Kreider has another year in his contract, there was/is no reason to rush a decision on him. No reason to make a decision now when you have another year to think about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Future View Post
    No, it doesn't presume that. It means that there's a gross contradiction in the organization where they invest all this draft capital, but don't think it's good enough and have spent all of this time acquiring draft picks and young assets, but aren't going to give them time to grow without the expectation of winning right now. The logic has been flawed since the Stepan trade and though they've done a good job acquiring pieces, they have done an awful job at having any sort of a coherent plan.

    I mean, if they don't view Kreider as a long-term piece, they sure as shit should have known that last season, and there should be no more discussion about what to do with him. They've gotten way too cute under the guise of being patient, and now they're trying to play catch-up.
    Publicly, Gorton has talked about how opportunistic they have been/want to be. There is going to be a trade-off against having a fully fleshed out plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    It's not a fact, it remains to be seen, actually. He's never been a #1D, so we don't know what he is.

    He's our #1, and I do think he's going to be overpaid, unfortunately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RodrigueGabriel View Post
    Publicly, Gorton has talked about how opportunistic they have been/want to be. There is going to be a trade-off against having a fully fleshed out plan.
    Right. I think that's dumb lol

    It's how you end up - assuming Kreider is still here this year - with 3 seasons in a row where you are selling vets at the deadline and making it clear to your team that you don't expect to be winning.

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