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    Trouba Expected to Sign a 7-Year Extension Worth $7.5–8 Million Per Season

    General manager Jeff Gorton had substantive contract talks with Jacob Trouba’s agent, Kurt Overhardt, at the draft in Vancouver, The Post has learned. The parties did not reach an agreement, but the pending restricted free agent defenseman, acquired on June 17 from Winnipeg for the 20th-overall pick in the draft and Neal Pionk, is expected to sign a seven-year deal in the tony neighborhood of $7.5-8 million per season.
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    Yuck

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    Didn’t we all pretty much know this already?


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    Yep. We’ll be paying for 5-6 years of prime so I’m all for it.
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    whatever, don't care. its all good
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    no doubt that's what it is going to take. my guess is there waiting to see how the Panarin situation turns out before they sign him. No rush here.
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    I'm fine with this. Need to get rid of Smith and Shatty at some point though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Future View Post
    Yuck
    Why? Were he to sign for $8Mx7, he'd be right in line regarding the percentage of the cap (9.82) with Pietrangelo (10.11) and Ekblad (10.27) among right-handed defenders. Pietrangelo signed at 23. Trouba would have signed at 25.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    Why? Were he to sign for $8Mx7, he'd be right in line regarding the percentage of the cap (9.82) with Pietrangelo (10.11) and Ekblad (10.27) among right-handed defenders. Pietrangelo signed at 23. Trouba would have signed at 25.
    The fact that he's in line with them is why it's yucky lol

    He's not as good as Pietro, and Ekblad is overpaid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Future View Post
    The fact that he's in line with them is why it's yucky lol

    He's not as good as Pietro, and Ekblad is overpaid.
    I agree on Ekblad, but the point on Pietrangelo is off the mark. Kucherov isn't as good as McDavid, but they're both still great. Trouba isn't as good as Pietrangelo, but they're both still top RHD in the league. I'm fine with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Future View Post
    The fact that he's in line with them is why it's yucky lol

    He's not as good as Pietro, and Ekblad is overpaid.
    He's in line with what Pietranglo is and 4 years to catch up to him. Trouba outscored him last year.
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    If you are waiting for another Pietrangelo to give that money to, you'll be disappointed when one doesn't become available. Sometimes the next best thing will get paid similarly. It's up to the GM to find good deals at other positions (homegrown or otherwise) to offset the perceived overpayments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    I agree on Ekblad, but the point on Pietrangelo is off the mark. Kucherov isn't as good as McDavid, but they're both still great. Trouba isn't as good as Pietrangelo, but they're both still top RHD in the league. I'm fine with it.
    Trouba wasn't even the top RHD on his team. He's maybe, what, the 10th best RHD?

    Off the top of my head...EK65, Doughty, Seth Jones, Brent Burns, John Carlson, Pietro, Shea Weber are all a tier above Trouba. Being the 8th best player at your position doesn't mean you aren't good, but it also doesn't mean that your contract comparables are the 7 guys ahead of you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirtyONE View Post
    He's in line with what Pietranglo is and 4 years to catch up to him. Trouba outscored him last year.
    Racking up secondary assists on WPG doesn't mean anything. Pietro would have had well over 50 playing on that team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Future View Post
    Trouba wasn't even the top RHD on his team. He's maybe, what, the 10th best RHD?

    Off the top of my head...EK65, Doughty, Seth Jones, Brent Burns, John Carlson, Pietro, Shea Weber are all a tier above Trouba. Being the 8th best player at your position doesn't mean you aren't good, but it also doesn't mean that your contract comparables are the 7 guys ahead of you.
    Now create a list from these players of who was available to sign or trade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Future View Post
    Trouba wasn't even the top RHD on his team.
    This is a specious knock against him. It's like saying "Evgeni Malkin wasn't even the top C on his team," as though that's somehow illustrative of him not being a first-line center?

    He's maybe, what, the 10th best RHD?

    Off the top of my head...EK65, Doughty, Seth Jones, Brent Burns, John Carlson, Pietro, Shea Weber are all a tier above Trouba. Being the 8th best player at your position doesn't mean you aren't good, but it also doesn't mean that your contract comparables are the 7 guys ahead of you.
    I have no idea exactly where he ranks, but I would agree that yes, he's among the top-10 RHD in the league.

    And you're dead wrong on the latter point. If this were true, McDavid would be the highest paid player in the league and every point-per-game center would be paid probably 70–80 cents on his dollar. You know the market doesn't work like this. It never has, and it never will. Value is relative, and it soft resets every offseason as the cap rises (and salaries rise in conjunction with it). It's why percentage of the cap is such a better evaluating measure than straight AAV.
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    Fact is Trouba is a #1 Dman. To pay him 8m a season for the next 7 is completely fair.
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    Great trade. We should get the full 7 years of value given his age. Little disappointed at the $$ but happy to lock him up. Thinking $11m+ per might be a little much for Panarin. I guess maybe when cap frees up in a couple years it would not be bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    This is a specious knock against him. It's like saying "Evgeni Malkin wasn't even the top C on his team," as though that's somehow illustrative of him not being a first-line center?



    I have no idea exactly where he ranks, but I would agree that yes, he's among the top-10 RHD in the league.

    And you're dead wrong on the latter point. If this were true, McDavid would be the highest paid player in the league and every point-per-game center would be paid probably 70–80 cents on his dollar. You know the market doesn't work like this. It never has, and it never will. Value is relative, and it soft resets every offseason as the cap rises (and salaries rise in conjunction with it). It's why percentage of the cap is such a better evaluating measure than straight AAV.
    Connor McDavid is the highest paid player in the league, as % of cap, and that's the only thing I really care about, it's just easier to talk in terms of dollars.

    Trouba should be a considerably less % of cap than Pietro and all those other guys. I understand that FAs get overpaid by the market. It's why I'd say that 9/10 free agent contracts are yuck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Future View Post
    Connor McDavid is the highest paid player in the league, as % of cap, and that's the only thing I really care about, it's just easier to talk in terms of dollars.

    Trouba should be a considerably less % of cap than Pietro and all those other guys. I understand that FAs get overpaid by the market. It's why I'd say that 9/10 free agent contracts are yuck.
    Define "considerably." $8M x 7 would account for 9.8%. $7.5x7 would equal 9.2%. Pietrangelo, who signed six years ago, ate 10.1% at the time. If he signed today, he'd probably be closer to what Subban's deal was worth — 13%.
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