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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunny View Post
    25 million in essentially dead cap space between Staal/Smith/Shattenkirk/Lundqvist. None can be moved at this point, all with prohibitive buyouts. That's just the reality for at least one more season.
    In 12 months though it becomes a much smaller issue as you said
    And with them not likely to do much more than be a bubble team, no pressure to do anything now

    Even if there’s a logjam we all know Quinn has no problem benching a guy to insert someone else in the lineup

    Ride it out

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    I think Howden will be a different player then we saw in his rookie season. He'll be stronger and more confident and hopefully has a great showing. The same can be said for Chytil if he's done with puberty. Andersson showed a little life at the end of the season. Quinn will probably try KK at center at some point. Hopefully one of these guys takes a big step into a dependable #2 center.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatfrancesa View Post
    The rangers are not currently situated to make this move. That is the reality. Signing panarin does not make them a contender. Their window opens ideally 2-3 years from now at which point panarinís contract can just as easily be a negative as a positive.
    2-3 years from now signing a player of Panarin's caliber, if one is available, will cost you over $14 million per year.

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    The thought of having Zib-Panarin-Kravstov-Kakko-Chytil on this team after watching a random assortment of scrubs and overhyped prospects in the last few years gets the pants moving for sure

    Panarin is a hell of a player and definitely worth the investment. The type of game he plays you can put him with pretty much any player and he'll elevate their game

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    Quote Originally Posted by Long live the King View Post
    2-3 years from now signing a player of Panarin's caliber, if one is available, will cost you over $14 million per year.

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    Maybe that guy will playa position of need, like center

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    Wait wut? We need a center?

    Zibenajad
    Chytil
    Howden
    Andersson
    Nieves
    Fontaine

    Or...
    Strome
    Kakko
    Kravtsov

    Why do we need a center?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatfrancesa View Post
    They will need every low cost player they have in 3-4 years. Trading them for an OíReilly or duchene type requires cap space which they will not be in supply of
    Not true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    Wait wut? We need a center?

    Zibenajad
    Chytil
    Howden
    Andersson
    Nieves
    Fontaine

    Or...
    Strome
    Kakko
    Kravtsov

    Why do we need a center?
    Are.. You serious? Gabriel Fontaine?

    We need a 2C, yes.

    Kravtsov and Kakko are wingers.

    Chytil was generally bad last year. Really bad at times. And while you'd think/hope he continues to develop, that's far from a certainty.

    Strome is a 2C on a shitty team, that should be obvious, he's pretty much the poster child in this regard.

    Andersson, Howden don't project as 2C's in my mind, in pretty much everybody's mind.

    I could be off the mark, certainly, but that's how I see the lay of the land as of today. You're banking on a huge step from Chytil, if that doesn't happen they'll be shoehorning players in to the role.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    Wait wut? We need a center?

    Zibenajad
    Chytil
    Howden
    Andersson
    Nieves
    Fontaine

    Or...
    Strome
    Kakko
    Kravtsov

    Why do we need a center?
    Here here

    Let’s see if Zib can duplicate or improve upon last season. If he does, than he’s a legit 1C
    Let’s see Chytil develops into. Kid has high-end skill. And if he had been born 2 weeks later, he’s probably a top-10 pick in this most recent draft a week ago.

    Depth chart is thick at C. Let it all play out for a while before we go shopping for one

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    I agree! Let's "see". You don't do that by blowing your wad on a one direction, PAG, winger. Skilled wingers aren't a big problem for this club right now. Everything else is.

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    Why do people really want Panarin?

    Is it because he's exciting, extremely talented, and available, thus making the team more "sexy" (all good things) or do they want him because he fits in to the long term plan for a still rebuilding hockey club?

    I think the answer is pretty obvious.

    It would be hard to say no at 9 million, I totally agree, but at 11.5 or 12? Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunny View Post
    Are.. You serious? Gabriel Fontaine?

    We need a 2C, yes.

    Kravtsov and Kakko are wingers.

    Chytil was generally bad last year. Really bad at times. And while you'd think/hope he continues to develop, that's far from a certainty.

    Strome is a 2C on a shitty team, that should be obvious, he's pretty much the poster child in this regard.

    Andersson, Howden don't project as 2C's in my mind, in pretty much everybody's mind.

    I could be off the mark, certainly, but that's how I see the lay of the land as of today. You're banking on a huge step from Chytil, if that doesn't happen they'll be shoehorning players in to the role.
    Sorry, you're right. There are like 9 players who can play center on the team, but let's focus on Fontaine and quibble over which position Kakko and Krav should play because their names were also last in the list.

    Also, to your point, Chytil was bad and probably won't be, or get, better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    Wait wut? We need a center?

    Zibenajad
    Chytil
    Howden
    Andersson
    Nieves
    Fontaine

    Or...
    Strome
    Kakko
    Kravtsov

    Why do we need a center?
    Bingo. The center position will work itself out. There's this false narrative that the Rangers won't have cap space to sign their prospects in 4 years, and all of whom supposedly will explode into franchise players and they won't all fit under the cap. If that happens, not only will I be doing backflips at our good fortune, but those guys will fill the holes that people are complaining. If it doesn't happen, then those guys won't get a ton of money and cap space really isn't a problem is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dunny View Post
    Why do people really want Panarin?

    Is it because he's exciting, extremely talented, and available, thus making the team more "sexy" (all good things) or do they want him because he fits in to the long term plan for a still rebuilding hockey club?

    I think the answer is pretty obvious.

    It would be hard to say no at 9 million, I totally agree, but at 11.5 or 12? Really?
    Makes those around him better. Elite skill. Bumps everyone down a spot, allowing them to develop and not drown in expectations. Plus, he’s awesome.
    Lias Andersson for #AJT2019

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmc51 View Post
    Bingo. The center position will work itself out. There's this false narrative that the Rangers won't have cap space to sign their prospects in 4 years, and all of whom supposedly will explode into franchise players and they won't all fit under the cap. If that happens, not only will I be doing backflips at our good fortune, but those guys will fill the holes that people are complaining. If it doesn't happen, then those guys won't get a ton of money and cap space really isn't a problem is it?
    So will the wing position as the rangers have far better prospects there. If your doing backflips then they do have a cap problem. If those prospects don’t work our adding panarin does nothing as this is still a bad team making signing him pointless other than to satisfy your need for satisfaction right now.

    The center position is a complete unknown outside of one player. Of those unknowns none of them project to be more than a third line center at best case. If chytil is your answer than the pressures you are supposedly alleviating is all being transfered onto him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatfrancesa View Post
    So will the wing position as the rangers have far better prospects there. If your doing backflips then they do have a cap problem. If those prospects don’t work our adding panarin does nothing as this is still a bad team making signing him pointless other than to satisfy your need for satisfaction right now.

    The center position is a complete unknown outside of one player. Of those unknowns none of them project to be more than a third line center at best case. If chytil is your answer than the pressures you are supposedly alleviating is all being transfered onto him.
    The reality is that not all of the prospects will pan out and command high dollar contracts. It's also probably not reasonable to assume they all bust. Both of those scenarios are unrealistic as it will probably be somewhere in between. 1, maybe 2 if you're lucky, might be at that level where you have to pay them a high dollar contract. The others will be at some level ranging anywhere from bust to 2nd line player. Those are the guys you eventually move if you need cap space, because those are the guys that would never be as good as Panarin is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmc51 View Post
    The reality is that not all of the prospects will pan out and command high dollar contracts. It's also probably not reasonable to assume they all bust. Both of those scenarios are unrealistic as it will probably be somewhere in between. 1, maybe 2 if you're lucky, might be at that level where you have to pay them a high dollar contract. The others will be at some level ranging anywhere from bust to 2nd line player. Those are the guys you eventually move if you need cap space, because those are the guys that would never be as good as Panarin is.
    Agreed. And that’s why tying yourself up with a contract that panarin is asking for makes no sense. This team is not ready for it and like you said they don’t even know what they have yet no less start thinking about contending. By the time those things become clear panarin may very well be declining and not living up to his contract. The two best prospects are wings and one is considered a cant miss. So if there is one position that they should be ok with it’s wing. Top it off the easiest position and cheapest position to fill is on the wing. Making it even worse that panarin is asking what he’s asking for. Top echelon centers get less and he’s barely a point per game player who generally speaking isn’t putting those points up with 40-50 goals. He’s completely overrated and instantly an awful contract as soon as his pen hits paper at anything over $10m a aeason

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatfrancesa View Post
    Agreed. And that’s why tying yourself up with a contract that panarin is asking for makes no sense.
    Nah. It's precisely why you sign him. Odds are he's better than most or all of our prospects ever will be, though I hold some optimism that one or two will turn out to be stars. I'll pay the money for high end talent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmc51 View Post
    Nah. It's precisely why you sign him. Odds are he's better than most or all of our prospects ever will be, though I hold some optimism that one or two will turn out to be stars. I'll pay the money for high end talent.
    Seriously odds are? You are advocating paying him $11-12m a year for 7 years. You think he should be better? He better be. The prospects you are hoping g he’s better than cost you league minimum. Is this a joke?

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    There would be no discussion if there was no cap. Sign him. I choose to live in reality.

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