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    If Not Artemi Panarin, Then Who?

    But have any of us stopped to seriously ask ourselves what happens if come July 1 (or later), Panarin goes elsewhere? Or, perhaps more importantly, if not Panarin, then who?

    Assuming an $83 million salary cap (and no major roster changes), the Rangers are projected to enter the free agent period with just over $19 million in cap space. That’s not just a healthy chunk of change, but money we can assume they’re itching to spend given their early ties to Panarin and Erik Karlsson, not to mention reported scuttlebutt about accelerating their rebuild.
    Panarin is an undeniable star in the NHL. Since joining the league in 2015-16, he’s eighth in points (320) and has 116 goals in 322 games. It’s more than reasonable that the Rangers would show interest in him. But should he opt not to reciprocate — and as Mike Murphy explored earlier this offseason, that’s a possibility with the Florida Panthers in the mix for him — New York won’t be left holding the proverbial bag (of money).
    Duchene would no doubt shore up the Rangers’ thin-for-now center depth, though likely at nothing resembling a discount given the reported range on an extension with Ottawa that was worth upward of $75 million over eight years.

    What about Buffalo’s Jeff Skinner? The 27-year-old is coming off of a 40-goal season with the Sabres and has yet to ink an extension. The closer he gets to free agency, the stronger his urge to test it will grow. The Rangers, who finished 24th in goals-per-game last season, would surely benefit from his offensive prowess.
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    Didn't realize Skinner only missed 3 games in the last 4 seasons.
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    If the Rangers want to "speed" up this rebuild then they pretty much have to get one of these 3 big free agents, however do it diligently and not overspend.
    If they can't sign any of these free agents then IMO they have to wait to see what happens with Taylor Hall and go all in with him after next season, high end Free Agents are thin after next season.
    Might make sense to keep Kreider if they cant get Panarin/Duchene

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vodka Drunkenski View Post
    Didn't realize Skinner only missed 3 games in the last 4 seasons.
    yeah the knock on him that he's injury prone is false, his 2nd/3rd seasons he was hurt, every other season he has played 70+ games

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    There's no such thing as "not overpaying" in free agency.

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    If not Panarin, and presumably no Karlsson, then it should be nobody. Elite players only. Don't overpay for secondary players. Continue down the path of youth development and expect a lottery team the next 2 years.

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    If they dont get Panarin, and we arent talking about Karlsson/defense, I prefer they stay away from the big names - Duchene, Skinner, and the 2nd liners like Eberle and Lee. I think you look to make trades with team stuck at the cap. As Phil mentions, Ehlers is an option. As I mentioned yesterday, a trade with TB for Tyler Johnson and absorbing the Callahan contract (although I'm not fond of taking on cap dumps - NYR have enough already), or Marleau with Kapanen (FIN), VGK Haula (FIN) + Gusev.
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    31 Thoughts speculated Point on an offer sheet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    31 Thoughts speculated Point on an offer sheet.
    Cant offer an offer sheet unless its in the $2.1-$4.2 range

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Heaven View Post
    Cant offer an offer sheet unless its in the $2.1-$4.2 range
    or 4 1sts.
    $10,568,590+

    To date, I haven't seen enough from the Rangers prospects in the NHL to be comfortable trading away 4 1sts for Point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    or 4 1sts.
    $10,568,590+

    To date, I haven't seen enough from the Rangers prospects in the NHL to be comfortable trading away 4 1sts for Point.
    $10.5 million+ to give up 4 1sts, no thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Heaven View Post
    Cant offer an offer sheet unless its in the $2.1-$4.2 range
    As it stands now, but the Rangers could acquire another pick at the draft.

    They'd probably have to go into 4 first-round pick territory ($10.5+) to get Point anyway.

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    I'd do 4 firsts.

    It's not like you can't trade for a 1st down the line. You can probably get one for Kreider, or Zibenajad down the line if situation warrants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    or 4 1sts.
    $10,568,590+

    To date, I haven't seen enough from the Rangers prospects in the NHL to be comfortable trading away 4 1sts for Point.
    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Heaven View Post
    $10.5 million+ to give up 4 1sts, no thanks.
    A counter point is if the Stars re-sign Zucc and we get their 1st, then we trade Kreider for a 1st+, that recoups roughly half the cost for an offersheet to Point. Not exactly half since I would rather own the Rangers' own 1sts than those hypothetical ones.

    I would probably be inclined to do Kreider and 2 1sts for Point. Hell, make Tampa a similar offer for Point before offersheeting if you go that route.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmc51 View Post
    A counter point is if the Stars re-sign Zucc and we get their 1st, then we trade Kreider for a 1st+, that recoups roughly half the cost for an offersheet to Point. Not exactly half since I would rather own the Rangers' own 1sts than those hypothetical ones.

    I would probably be inclined to do Kreider and 2 1sts for Point. Hell, make Tampa a similar offer for Point before offersheeting if you go that route.
    Not a bad idea to just try to trade for him, but you'd have to know that Point is going to sign with NYR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Future View Post
    Not a bad idea to just try to trade for him, but you'd have to know that Point is going to sign with NYR.
    Exactly. The offer sheet at least locks the salary because he signed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    I'd do 4 firsts.

    It's not like you can't trade for a 1st down the line. You can probably get one for Kreider, or Zibenajad down the line if situation warrants.
    Quote Originally Posted by rmc51 View Post
    A counter point is if the Stars re-sign Zucc and we get their 1st, then we trade Kreider for a 1st+, that recoups roughly half the cost for an offersheet to Point. Not exactly half since I would rather own the Rangers' own 1sts than those hypothetical ones.

    I would probably be inclined to do Kreider and 2 1sts for Point. Hell, make Tampa a similar offer for Point before offersheeting if you go that route.
    True true... still not sure Point would be my target for an offer sheet, or the cap hit.
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    Assuming they make their picks and don't acquire any others, they'll have taken seven players in the first round over the last three Drafts. If any team can afford four first-rounders in an offer sheet, it's the Rangers.
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    agree here that you will overpay in FA. no doubt about it. i'd look for the Toronto or Tampa option to try to take Marner or point if you also absorb cap as well. might be the more economical thing to do.

    you still have to get out of the blueline nightmare which imho, will take another year anyway.

    not to say i wouldn't go after Panarin or Skinner.
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    Haven't read the article yet, but personally I'm not convinced at all about going after Duchene in free agency.
    Is he good? Yes. Is he elite? No, he's not. I'm not comfortable with the idea of a 33/34/35 year old Duchene on big money. He also strikes me as more of a wagon than a truck, to borrow a term from a podcast I listened to the other day. I.e., he's a very good player in the right situation but I'm doubtful he's the kind of guy that puts a team on his back. Panarin is, imo.

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