Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 23

Thread: Rangers’ Defensive Logjam Needs Breaking This Summer

  1. #1
    The future is spelled K-A-K-K-O BSBH Legend
    Phil in Absentia's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Brooklyn, NY
    Posts
    87,275
    Rep Power
    474

    Rangers’ Defensive Logjam Needs Breaking This Summer

    Assuming that no personnel changes are made between now and next year’s training camp, the Rangers have six defensemen — Kevin Shattenkirk, Marc Staal, Brady Skjei, Brendan Smith, Adam Fox, and Libor Hajek — under contract who can reasonably be expected to break camp with the team next season. Given how poorly this past season’s defensive squad performed, however, this would be miles from “improvement,” even before addressing the new extensions due to restricted free agents (RFA) Fredrik Claesson, Tony DeAngelo, and Neal Pionk.

    In a word? Untenable.

    Oh, and we’ve yet to broach the strengthening suggestions that New York has eyes for Erik Karlsson, and he, perhaps, eyes for New York in return.

    It’s all but a foregone conclusion that the Rangers’ front office will look to move multiple defenders this summer. They might even heavily entertain the idea of a buyout or two should they fear weak trade winds for players like Smith and Shattenkirk. Both Larry Brooks and Brett Cyrgalis of the New York Post have been beating the buyout drum on the latter for what feels like months now, in fact.
    Karlsson or not, it’s clear that the Rangers have an awful lot of debris with diminishing value clogging up the path to their blue line, and given their desire to seemingly improve overnight, something’s gotta give.

    For their most important young prospects such as K’Andre Miller and Nils Lundqvist, who are at least another year away each, that debris will likely clear in time to to blaze a path for them. But for players like Fox, Hajek, DeAngelo, or even Yegor Rykov, who reportedly signed his entry-level deal, clearing the decks some would go a long way in assuring not only they’re given legitimate chances to stick, but in would-be roles that won’t stifle their early growth — the value of which has a visible expiration date relative to the length of their entry-level deals.
    https://www.blueshirtbanter.com/2019...ith-marc-staal
    "Everyone says you should be a good loser. If you’re a good loser, you’re a loser."
    - John Tortorella


    "Never be a spectator of unfairness or stupidity. Seek out argument and disputation for their own sake; the grave will supply plenty of time for silence."
    - Christopher Hitchens

  2. #2
    HNIC BSBH Legend
    Pete's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Posts
    77,959
    Rep Power
    557
    I think the writing on the wall is that Shattenkirk is moved at the draft and Smith is either bought out or sent to Hartford. Staal can, and should be, a veteran leader on the third pair.

    This isn't a team [or, it shouldn't be] that's trying to win tomorrow, so spread out the minutes and let everyone get a taste of every situation. See what they all can handle, and start defining roles in 20-21.

  3. #3
    The future is spelled K-A-K-K-O BSBH Legend
    Phil in Absentia's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2011
    Location
    Brooklyn, NY
    Posts
    87,275
    Rep Power
    474
    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    I think the writing on the wall is that Shattenkirk is moved at the draft and Smith is either bought out or sent to Hartford. Staal can, and should be, a veteran leader on the third pair.

    This isn't a team [or, it shouldn't be] that's trying to win tomorrow, so spread out the minutes and let everyone get a taste of every situation. See what they all can handle, and start defining roles in 20-21.
    Agreed. We've read a lot about the FO wanting to make sure the leadership is there, which is why I think Staal isn't going anywhere. Sounds like they don't want to repeat EDM in terms of not having a good team despite having good pieces, largely because they're thrown to the wolves and left to fend for themselves.
    "Everyone says you should be a good loser. If you’re a good loser, you’re a loser."
    - John Tortorella


    "Never be a spectator of unfairness or stupidity. Seek out argument and disputation for their own sake; the grave will supply plenty of time for silence."
    - Christopher Hitchens

  4. #4
    Senior Member Mite Division tphilly5's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2019
    Posts
    127
    Rep Power
    1
    I think we are stuck with most, if not all, of that crew for the coming season. Best we can hope for is that a few of the young guys develop and show promise for the future. Karlsson is great but with his injury history and age he is not a fit. Accelerating the rebuild will hurt us long term.

  5. #5
    Senior Member Bantam Division
    Gravesy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2018
    Posts
    1,810
    Rep Power
    71
    I wonder how realistic something like

    Skjei-Ada
    Hajek-Fox
    Staal-Rykov/Lindgren

    would be? Wouldn't mind Claesson on the 3rd pair or as the 7th guy there either. I mean it's very young, but I'm not sure I'll miss Shatty or Smith and I don't feel like I need to see a lot more of Pionk.

  6. #6
    Moderator BSBH Prospect
    Puck Head's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    North Pole
    Posts
    11,156
    Rep Power
    145
    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    I think the writing on the wall is that Shattenkirk is moved at the draft and Smith is either bought out or sent to Hartford. Staal can, and should be, a veteran leader on the third pair.

    This isn't a team [or, it shouldn't be] that's trying to win tomorrow, so spread out the minutes and let everyone get a taste of every situation. See what they all can handle, and start defining roles in 20-21.
    Agreed with this.
    I’d be careful with strapping ourselves with too many buyouts, as mentioned, next season is wait and see. We are still a few years away


    Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk

  7. #7
    Senior Member Bantam Division
    Bugg's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Posts
    2,321
    Rep Power
    31
    If you're going to have to overpay someone, would rather overpay Shattenkirk in hopes he gets back to being an offensive contributor than Staal. Staal gives you nothing; no offense, not physical, really a subpar player in every way.

  8. #8
    HNIC BSBH Legend
    Pete's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Posts
    77,959
    Rep Power
    557
    Quote Originally Posted by Bugg View Post
    If you're going to have to overpay someone, would rather overpay Shattenkirk in hopes he gets back to being an offensive contributor than Staal. Staal gives you nothing; no offense, not physical, really a subpar player in every way.
    Couldn't disagree more. All we have hare the same kind of offensive d and they're mostly right handed. Shattenkirk is more of same.

    Staal can still defend in the zone, and the team needs that.

  9. #9
    Moderator BSBH Prospect
    Puck Head's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2011
    Location
    North Pole
    Posts
    11,156
    Rep Power
    145
    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    Couldn't disagree more. All we have hare the same kind of offensive d and they're mostly right handed. Shattenkirk is more of same.

    Staal can still defend in the zone, and the team needs that.
    And from what little i know, he seems respected and a leader. He’d probably be better suited as a mentor next few years.

    That being said, i wouldn’t mind seeing Shatt healthy and perhaps increase his current low value


    Sent from my iPhone using Blueshirts Brotherhood mobile app powered by Tapatalk

  10. #10
    Senior Member BSBH Prospect
    ThirtyONE's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Posts
    11,857
    Rep Power
    135
    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    Couldn't disagree more. All we have hare the same kind of offensive d and they're mostly right handed. Shattenkirk is more of same.

    Staal can still defend in the zone, and the team needs that.
    People have been shitting on Marc Staal for years but he’s the only plus defender in the last two seasons (collectively) and has been beyond steady. Yes, I’m sure there’s some kind of advanced stat based on zone starts or whatever that says he’s garbage but as far as being a leader and defensive defender, he’s a useful piece to a rebuilding team that has no idea how to keep the puck out of their net. I’d much rather keep him than Shattenkirk or Smith or Pionk even.
    GORTON 2020

  11. #11
    Senior Member Bantam Division
    rmc51's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Posts
    2,210
    Rep Power
    77
    Quote Originally Posted by ThirtyONE View Post
    People have been shitting on Marc Staal for years but he’s the only plus defender in the last two seasons (collectively) and has been beyond steady. Yes, I’m sure there’s some kind of advanced stat based on zone starts or whatever that says he’s garbage but as far as being a leader and defensive defender, he’s a useful piece to a rebuilding team that has no idea how to keep the puck out of their net. I’d much rather keep him than Shattenkirk or Smith or Pionk even.
    I think Staal built that rap sheet because he had a horrific 1-2 seasons, 3-4 years ago. I thought he was solid last year and the year before. I agree with you as I absolutely think he is a good thing to have on a 2nd/3rd pair for this team right now.

  12. #12
    Very Large Member BSBH Prospect
    Vodka Drunkenski's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Posts
    15,459
    Rep Power
    151
    As long as the plans don’t include Karlsson
    Hidden Content

    Let's Go Rangers!

  13. #13
    //reported Junior Division
    phillyb™'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Location
    Chicago
    Posts
    9,677
    Rep Power
    89
    Quote Originally Posted by Vodka Drunkenski View Post
    As long as the plans don’t include Karlsson
    This.

    Shattenkirk to some place at the draft would be fantastic.
    Def on the “keep Marc Staal” train as well.

    What’s the deal with ADA? Gonna keep him?
    LGR!

  14. #14
    Senior Member Bantam Division
    Bugg's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2013
    Posts
    2,321
    Rep Power
    31
    Shattenkirk could be worth something in the trade market during the season if you had him playing at a high level, scoring points, being a PP QB, etc. While he is a defensive liability,he has skills. Don't see that at all with Staal. If they mange to move Shattenkirk during the draft so be it , but doubt you could get much unless and until he plays healthy and at a high level. Really what could you expect; a 5th rounder and picking up half his salary or worse? No thanks. Once you get in season and he has played okay to better, perhaps the return would be way better plus less prorated salary.

  15. #15
    Currently in the Quinn-Bin Bantam Division
    Ozzy's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2017
    Location
    Suffolk County, NY
    Posts
    1,316
    Rep Power
    41
    Quote Originally Posted by Bugg View Post
    Shattenkirk could be worth something in the trade market during the season if you had him playing at a high level, scoring points, being a PP QB, etc. While he is a defensive liability,he has skills. Don't see that at all with Staal. If they mange to move Shattenkirk during the draft so be it , but doubt you could get much unless and until he plays healthy and at a high level. Really what could you expect; a 5th rounder and picking up half his salary or worse? No thanks. Once you get in season and he has played okay to better, perhaps the return would be way better plus less prorated salary.
    I hear ya, Bugg!! Right now he's probably at an all time low in value. No use selling now. May as well let him re-establish himself during the upcoming season, and possibly play himself back to value. He really can't be any worse than he's been thus far. These kids have a little ways to go and some are going to be playing in the minors this year anyway, so why not let us try to get something out of him this year.

  16. #16
    Senior Member Midget Division
    4EverRangerFrank's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2017
    Posts
    2,669
    Rep Power
    54
    IF we don't make some D changes this summer, this logjam will begin to feel like constipation come October. Our crappy D needs a good dump!

  17. #17
    Moderator Pee-Wee Division
    RodrigueGabriel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2018
    Location
    DC Area
    Posts
    621
    Rep Power
    40
    http://https://thehockeywriters.com/...-back-mcquaid/

    Good Lord. This is just a terrible idea.

  18. #18
    Moderator BSBH Prospect
    Shane Falco's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    LI, NY
    Posts
    12,468
    Rep Power
    132
    Quote Originally Posted by RodrigueGabriel View Post
    http://https://thehockeywriters.com/...-back-mcquaid/

    Good Lord. This is just a terrible idea.
    This link is broken for me. Anyone else?

  19. #19
    Moderator Pee-Wee Division
    RodrigueGabriel's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2018
    Location
    DC Area
    Posts
    621
    Rep Power
    40
    Quote Originally Posted by Lt. Dan View Post
    This link is broken for me. Anyone else?
    Try this. https://thehockeywriters.com/new-yor...ampaign=buffer

  20. #20
    Senior Member BSBH Prospect
    ThirtyONE's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Posts
    11,857
    Rep Power
    135
    Great. Another older, mediocre defender. We already have 9 NHL-ready dmen.
    GORTON 2020

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •