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Thread: Rangers Must Decide Whether to Keep or Deal Kreider

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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    I think people are concerned about another Dubinsky, Callahan, Staal, Girardi contract that restricts the team moving forward.

    In 6-7 seasons, compare worst case scenario Panarin to worst case scenario Kreider.
    I would say worst-case scenario Panarin is far worse than Kreider.

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    I see no scenario where Krieder signs a team friendly deal. He has health issues and needs to lock in his guaranteed money.

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    If that’s the case the decision is easy, trade him

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatfrancesa View Post
    I wouldn’t sign kreider more than 5 years. Worst case is the panarin costs $12m and kreider costs $ 6.5m but his contract is 2 years shorter.
    Then you are severely limiting your free agent pool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Future View Post
    I would say worst-case scenario Panarin is far worse than Kreider.
    Panarin becomes Eberle.
    Kreider becomes Glass.

    Now, I dont like Eberle or Glass... but one can play in the NHL.
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    Kreider becomes glass? Wow

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    Kreider has been my favorite Ranger over the past 5 years.. That being said, now is the opportune time to deal him. Make it so
    Last edited by Flynn; 05-14-2019 at 04:35 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatfrancesa View Post
    Kreider becomes glass? Wow
    I'm assuming we missed the part about a horrible accident where both of his feet are replaced with cinder blocks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
    Panarin becomes Eberle.
    Kreider becomes Glass.

    Now, I dont like Eberle or Glass... but one can play in the NHL.
    Well for one, that's ridiculous. If Kreider can become Glass, Panarin can become Kostitsyn.

    Either way, Eberle at $12m is just as destructive as Glass at $6m.

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    So we trade Kreider and Panarin signs with Florida, where do we get any offense from. I have no problem bringing CK back. He can score, and has shown he can play here in New York. Having Kreider doesn’t hurt this team.

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    Having him a $7 million does.

    You can get 25 goals from existing players developing and Kaako/Kravtsov in the next 2-3 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatfrancesa View Post
    Kreider becomes glass? Wow

    “Worst case scenario” example, scholars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NYR2711 View Post
    So we trade Kreider and Panarin signs with Florida, where do we get any offense from. I have no problem bringing CK back. He can score, and has shown he can play here in New York. Having Kreider doesn’t hurt this team.
    5m a year. Sure. That's what he's worth. Anything higher than that is a huge mistake. I have no problem with the Rangers walking away from overpriced players and continuing down the rebuild path. You don't pay people just because.
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    $6m for kreider is overpaid but $12m for panarin is not. Got it

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    Only Conner Mcdavid will have a higher cap hit. Seems reasonable

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fatfrancesa View Post
    Only Conner Mcdavid will have a higher cap hit. Seems reasonable
    There's probably about 10-15 players who could and would command 12+ million annually on a new contract if they were a UFA on the market this offseason. But they aren't and Panarin is. Within a year or two players will start signing for more than whatever Panarin gets. That's just how contracts work really...the bar is always raised unless the cap stops increasing.

    By the way, when McDavid signed that extension he had something like 6 more years before he was going to be UFA eligible. He didn't have UFA leverage like Tavares did or Panarin does. There's a premium to be paid for that when bidding with other teams. If McDavid was actually a UFA today he'd most likely shatter his current contract (15M+ annually?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYR2711 View Post
    So we trade Kreider and Panarin signs with Florida, where do we get any offense from. I have no problem bringing CK back. He can score, and has shown he can play here in New York. Having Kreider doesn’t hurt this team.
    What do we really need offense for next season if we don't get Panarin? Gotta score enough goals to finish 6th from last again instead of 3rd or 4th from last?

    I'd trade Kreider, but the expected returns would be very different based on whether they signed Panarin or not. To me, Panarin represents a complete shift in the timeline for this franchise being competitive again. A difference between competing by 2020-2021 versus 2022-2023 at the earliest. There are cascading moves that will be made based on whether they land him or not in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmc51 View Post
    There's probably about 10-15 players who could and would command 12+ million annually on a new contract if they were a UFA on the market this offseason. But they aren't and Panarin is. Within a year or two players will start signing for more than whatever Panarin gets. That's just how contracts work really...the bar is always raised unless the cap stops increasing.

    By the way, when McDavid signed that extension he had something like 6 more years before he was going to be UFA eligible. He didn't have UFA leverage like Tavares did or Panarin does. There's a premium to be paid for that when bidding with other teams. If McDavid was actually a UFA today he'd most likely shatter his current contract (15M+ annually?).
    I understand how it works. Tavares didn’t get $12 and he’s a center and is a better player. Regardless my point was simple when discussing over paying someone. Panarin will be either 1 or 2 in terms of cap hit among all players if the rangers sign him to the contract talked about here. That was my only point before it was dissected into some other meaning. 1 player in the league has a contract like what’s being talked about. $12m will still be a lot two years from now and seven years from now.

    And you’re right contracts go up. So why doesn’t that equate when talking kreider? Because it doesn’t fit the narrative that’s being pushed. Oh and by the way Brock Nelson is a ufa. He scored 25 goals and had 50 points last year. He is free to chase the biggest contract out there. Why wouldn’t he be at least a starting point when talking kreider. Other of course then to argue.

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    Get off Kreider’s dick
    He’s a nice good quality top-6 winger
    Not very good
    Not great
    Not elite

    He doesn’t shoot well
    He doesn’t have great hands around the net despite what deflection stats may say
    He doesn’t score in big spots
    He doesn’t produce commensurate with his ability
    He disappears for 6 weeks at a time
    He’s streaky as fuck

    He’s a complimentary player

    He may go elsewhere and blossom
    That would not surprise me

    But he hasn’t blossomed here and if that were going to happen it would have


    Offer him 4-5 years for 25-30 million without trade protection
    If he says no, trade him and move on

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirtyONE View Post
    5m a year. Sure. That's what he's worth. Anything higher than that is a huge mistake. I have no problem with the Rangers walking away from overpriced players and continuing down the rebuild path. You don't pay people just because.
    We have been burned on this a few times. Paying players for what they’ve done tether than what they will do. Staal, Lundy, etc


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