confirmed: Rangers Acquire D Adam Fox from CAR for 2019 2nd Rounder, 2020 Conditional 3rd

Where is he playing?? You have DeAngelo whom is a guy that must be on the roster or he has to clear waivers, and he can hardly stick in the starting lineup as it is. Then there's Pionk, who I can't stand. Plus Shattenkirk. Fox is an outstanding prospect, but he doesn't fill a need. How many right PP "specialists" do you need? He doesn't offer anything that they don't already have.

 

Everyone is running Shattenkirk out of town and that's understandable, but I focus on dealing Pionk FAST. Im not at all comfortable using him in a top two role, or even a top 4. Eating Shattenkirk money seems like more of a burden than it is to keep him.

 

Is Fox definitely NHL ready?

 

Are they still going for Trouba? WTF are they doing?

Where is he playing?? You have DeAngelo whom is a guy that must be on the roster or he has to clear waivers, and he can hardly stick in the starting lineup as it is. Then there's Pionk, who I can't stand. Plus Shattenkirk. Fox is an outstanding prospect, but he doesn't fill a need. How many right PP "specialists" do you need? He doesn't offer anything that they don't already have.

 

Everyone is running Shattenkirk out of town and that's understandable, but I focus on dealing Pionk FAST. Im not at all comfortable using him in a top two role, or even a top 4. Eating Shattenkirk money seems like more of a burden than it is to keep him.

 

Is Fox definitely NHL ready?

 

Are they still going for Trouba? WTF are they doing?

 

The hell he doesn't. You say that like you can't have enough defenders who can move the puck to the forwards?

 

Fox arguably has a spot to lose this camp. He is 100% NHL-ready.

 

Pionk, if he's not traded before then (and he fucking should be, or just not qualified, because he's shit) should be shaking in his skates.

I think if the Rangers drafted Adam Fox in the 2nd round this year, everyone would be thrilled.

 

I don't understand some of these complaints. The 2nd round has something like a

I think if the Rangers drafted Adam Fox in the 2nd round this year, everyone would be thrilled.

 

I don't understand some of these complaints. The 2nd round has something like a

 

Well if it wasn't 90% likely he was going to sign here for free in 12 months everyone would be ecstatic about the trade. I'm happy with the trade, but it's buying a year and I suppose a guarantee to get him instead of the off chance he would have changed his mind.

I think if the Rangers drafted Adam Fox in the 2nd round this year, everyone would be thrilled.

 

I don't understand some of these complaints. The 2nd round has something like a

 

Can?t even really be mad considering how many picks they have from the last two drafts, this one and next years. Pretend they drafted fox with one of those picks and the other didn?t pan out. Unless fox ends up being a huge bust this is a decent trade.

 

 

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I think if the Rangers drafted Adam Fox in the 2nd round this year, everyone would be thrilled.

 

I don't understand some of these complaints. The 2nd round has something like a

 

Best analogy I've seen:

 

You can have Adam Fox, or you can have the Mystery Box, which can maybe have Adam Fox, or, more likely, a turd. Which do you pick?

Well if it wasn't 90% likely he was going to sign here for free in 12 months everyone would be ecstatic about the trade. I'm happy with the trade, but it's buying a year and I suppose a guarantee to get him instead of the off chance he would have changed his mind.

 

Was it really 90% likely? It was a poorly kept secret he liked New York, but so did Kovalchuk. Everyone had he and the Rangers married for months before even left Russia.

Best analogy I've seen:

 

You can have Adam Fox, or you can have the Mystery Box, which can maybe have Adam Fox, or, more likely, a turd. Which do you pick?

 

With any draft pick or amateur signing you’re doing it on potential and ceiling and the chances they reach that.

 

Bottom line is Fox has a higher ceiling and is the more likely reach his potential than either of the players they’d select at 37 this year and with that other pick next year. It’s a safe bet. They know what they’re getting and they like it more than what their options would be with those 2 other picks.

 

2nd round NHL picks aren’t like NFL 2nds. Not tons of value. Don’t see tons of great players come out there.

The hell he doesn't. You say that like you can't have enough defenders who can move the puck to the forwards?

 

Fox arguably has a spot to lose this camp. He is 100% NHL-ready.

 

Pionk, if he's not traded before then (and he fucking should be, or just not qualified, because he's shit) should be shaking in his skates.

 

It isn't feasible. Four offensive minded D men who are really not good in their own end? When has that ever worked? No coach is putting that many liabilities on the ice in one game. They really need to move two of the four.

 

I highly doubt they don't qualify Pionk. Quinn gushed about him all season. He's coming back if he's not dealt..

 

As much as I want to see a fresh face that has all this hype, I don't see Fox as an automatic. Not with Pionk being a guy Quinn loves, then there's DeAngelo, who they can't send down, and then there's Shattenkirk, who they likely won't find a taker for. Even if they did... Pionk, DeAngelo, Fox is just weak

and inexperienced as fuck, to have out there.

 

Realistically. What is Pionk worth? Are we all too hard on the youngster? He really did stink out there, but this team was a black hole. What do the Rangers flip him for? Are fans going to be happy with a 4th round pick?

Was it really 90% likely? It was a poorly kept secret he liked New York, but so did Kovalchuk. Everyone had he and the Rangers married for months before even left Russia.

 

Just going based off all of the reports that were out about it. Obviously I am just throwing a percentage out there. Probably depends how much he wanted to turn pro versus go back to college for another year. Rangers might have been choice A, but if he wanted to turn pro that badly he might have been willing to go with choice B (insert team here) instead of wait a year to sign with NYR.

It isn't feasible. Four offensive minded D men who are really not good in their own end? When has that ever worked? No coach is putting that many liabilities on the ice in one game. They really need to move two of the four.

 

I highly doubt they don't qualify Pionk. Quinn gushed about him all season. He's coming back if he's not dealt..

 

As much as I want to see a fresh face that has all this hype, I don't see Fox as an automatic. Not with Pionk being a guy Quinn loves, then there's DeAngelo, who they can't send down, and then there's Shattenkirk, who they likely won't find a taker for. Even if they did... Pionk, DeAngelo, Fox is just weak

and inexperienced as fuck, to have out there.

 

Realistically. What is Pionk worth? Are we all too hard on the youngster? He really did stink out there, but this team was a black hole. What do the Rangers flip him for? Are fans going to be happy with a 4th round pick?

 

Fox is as close to an automatic as you get. Gorton paid what is essentially 2 2nd round picks to get him now; there is absolutely no chance he does that in order to have him in Hartford for a year. So you have to think they believe very strongly in him making the team out of camp.

I agree that going in with AdA, Fox, Pionk and Shatty doesn't work. I said when they signed Fox that, in many ways, it forces their hand to blow up the blueline and I'm happy with that. It needs doing.

 

Personally I'd take whatever I can get for Pionk. Shattenkirk I can take or leave. But something has to give.

I don't know man. I'm getting a Matt Gilroy vibe. I don't think any smallish offensive minded D men are a sure thing. I'm reserving my expectations. As recently as last season we have seen sure things like Lias Andersson shit the bed. So much so that I wouldn't be surprised if he were packaged with a D man (Shattenkirk, Smith, Staal, Pionk), to clear cap room and spots.

It isn't feasible. Four offensive minded D men who are really not good in their own end? When has that ever worked? No coach is putting that many liabilities on the ice in one game. They really need to move two of the four.

 

I highly doubt they don't qualify Pionk. Quinn gushed about him all season. He's coming back if he's not dealt..

 

As much as I want to see a fresh face that has all this hype, I don't see Fox as an automatic. Not with Pionk being a guy Quinn loves, then there's DeAngelo, who they can't send down, and then there's Shattenkirk, who they likely won't find a taker for. Even if they did... Pionk, DeAngelo, Fox is just weak

and inexperienced as fuck, to have out there.

 

Realistically. What is Pionk worth? Are we all too hard on the youngster? He really did stink out there, but this team was a black hole. What do the Rangers flip him for? Are fans going to be happy with a 4th round pick?

This is exactly why people bring up Trouba.

Trouba-Deangelo-Fox/Shattenkirk is a different story.

I don't know man. I'm getting a Matt Gilroy vibe. I don't think any smallish offensive minded D men are a sure thing. I'm reserving my expectations. As recently as last season we have seen sure things like Lias Andersson shit the bed. So much so that I wouldn't be surprised if he were packaged with a D man (Shattenkirk, Smith, Staal, Pionk), to clear cap room and spots.

 

Well yeah, I don't mean Fox is a guaranteed success. I think he'll do well, but I can't be sure. What I mean he's virtually a guarantee to make the team. He'll have to be awful in camp to end up in Hartford. Him making the team will force their hand with regards to the blueline.

I don't know man. I'm getting a Matt Gilroy vibe. I don't think any smallish offensive minded D men are a sure thing. I'm reserving my expectations. As recently as last season we have seen sure things like Lias Andersson shit the bed. So much so that I wouldn't be surprised if he were packaged with a D man (Shattenkirk, Smith, Staal, Pionk), to clear cap room and spots.

 

Matt Gilroy had 8 points in 36 his Freshman year, then 26 in 39, 21, in 40, and 37 in 45 his Senior year in Hockey East.

Adam Fox had 40 points in 35 games his Freshman year, then 28 in 29, and 48 in 33 is Junior year in ECAC, while also putting up 9 points in 14 WJC games over two years.

 

While Gilroy faced stiffer competition, those numbers are not at all comparable.

Matt Gilroy had 8 points in 36 his Freshman year, then 26 in 39, 21, in 40, and 37 in 45 his Senior year in Hockey East.

Adam Fox had 40 points in 35 games his Freshman year, then 28 in 29, and 48 in 33 is Junior year in ECAC, while also putting up 9 points in 14 WJC games over two years.

 

While Gilroy faced stiffer competition, those numbers are not at all comparable.

 

Gilroy was also like 10 years ago, when NCAA hockey was still seen as "where you go when major junior told you to fuck off"

 

The NCAA and USNTDP have figured out a lot since then.

Great stuff from Gorton.

 

I think if the Rangers drafted Adam Fox in the 2nd round this year, everyone would be thrilled.

 

I don't understand some of these complaints. The 2nd round has something like a

 

I'm liking your style, fella!!! :thumbs:

 

The kid looks to be an upgrade over some of the players here now.

Matt Gilroy had 8 points in 36 his Freshman year, then 26 in 39, 21, in 40, and 37 in 45 his Senior year in Hockey East.

Adam Fox had 40 points in 35 games his Freshman year, then 28 in 29, and 48 in 33 is Junior year in ECAC, while also putting up 9 points in 14 WJC games over two years.

 

While Gilroy faced stiffer competition, those numbers are not at all comparable.

 

He was also 3-4 years older than Fox while doing it and a former forward turned D.

I saw Gilroy play in person many times in college. I’ve seen Fox in person just as many times

 

While I’m not a scout or talent expert, just based on that, Fox is far ahead of where Gilroy was.

And it’s not even close.

Best analogy I've seen:

 

You can have Adam Fox, or you can have the Mystery Box, which can maybe have Adam Fox, or, more likely, a turd. Which do you pick?

Well yeah. Except we gave 2 picks.

 

Gorton always seems to overpay when it isn't necessary. Want McD? Ok we have a fair deal... take Miller too, and give us back your garbage.

 

We know Fox is wants to come here. We'll give a second... And another pick that gets better unless h breaks something in camp.

 

Always throws in a little extra when he doesn't need to.

 

He's just not a savvy deal maker. He's getting good pieces but paying more than top dollar to get them.

i'm ok with getting him now instead of waiting a year when variables and price to be paid could well have changed and become stiffer.

 

also gorton wants him in camp now, not in a year. lastly fox speaks in the article of being a 200 foot player, he will work on defense.

 

i'm not seeing any downside here. they will move shatty or pionk

Well yeah. Except we gave 2 picks.

 

Gorton always seems to overpay when it isn't necessary. Want McD? Ok we have a fair deal... take Miller too, and give us back your garbage.

 

We know Fox is wants to come here. We'll give a second... And another pick that gets better unless h breaks something in camp.

 

Always throws in a little extra when he doesn't need to.

 

He's just not a savvy deal maker. He's getting good pieces but paying more than top dollar to get them.

 

That’s fair.

Thought he’s overpaid on a few deals now.

 

This one

Adding Miller to McDonagh deal

And the deal to move up and get Miller at last years draft.

 

But prices are what they are. And he’s gotten good returns

We don't really know how Miller fit in to that deal, though, do we? At face value, it seems it would have been better to deal him seperately.

 

I like his deals, in general. What I like is the addition of these conditional riders that can pay off big and come with zero downside.

We don't really know how Miller fit in to that deal, though, do we? At face value, it seems it would have been better to deal him seperately.

 

I like his deals, in general. What I like is the addition of these conditional riders that can pay off big and come with zero downside.

 

I concur.

We don't really know how Miller fit in to that deal, though, do we? At face value, it seems it would have been better to deal him seperately.

 

I like his deals, in general. What I like is the addition of these conditional riders that can pay off big and come with zero downside.

Right. That's why I said "seems". Never really know what happened. Just basing it on Miller and Names being names that we heard 5 mins after the other guys.