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    Quote Originally Posted by fletch View Post
    Colorado is making a push for the playoffs... and have Ottawa's pick.
    https://www.tsn.ca/who-will-win-the-...odds-1.1045366

    Pretty good for the Avalanche
    Yeah, it was an answer to the idea of having a "torunament" with the lottery teams, to decide who would get the top picks. That would fuck things up with the picks, because Ottawa (in this instance) wouldn't care about that tournament since the pick is not theirs.

    Sounds weird to "punish" the bad teams with 5 points each year. No team will opt out of the draft lottery for just 5 points, so a lot of teams would start every season with -5.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc View Post
    Yeah, it was an answer to the idea of having a "torunament" with the lottery teams, to decide who would get the top picks. That would fuck things up with the picks, because Ottawa (in this instance) wouldn't care about that tournament since the pick is not theirs.

    Sounds weird to "punish" the bad teams with 5 points each year. No team will opt out of the draft lottery for just 5 points, so a lot of teams would start every season with -5.
    Only the teams eligible for the lottery (5-10 teams) would have negative points (more than -5?) if they chose to participate... I realized each lottery team would only need one ball to determine order of picks. GM would have to tell fan base that a high draft pick (opportunity for top five pick) was worth starting next season behind in the standings. You probably would have to say a team can't participate in lottery more than 2 years in a row or more than 3 times in 5 years.

    The rationale is that awful teams need the most help with a potential superstar, but the incentive to tank can't be so high that a bad team can rack up 3-4 potential superstars. By giving around 5-8 bad teams (greater than 10 points out of the playoffs) an equal opportunity for lottery picks, there is no incentive to finish dead last vs second to last. So hopefully a lottery team would take some pride and try and beat a borderline playoff team and keep them out of the playoffs, and not be penalized by picking up 2 points and hurting their draft position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc View Post
    Yeah, it was an answer to the idea of having a "torunament" with the lottery teams, to decide who would get the top picks. That would fuck things up with the picks, because Ottawa (in this instance) wouldn't care about that tournament since the pick is not theirs.

    Sounds weird to "punish" the bad teams with 5 points each year. No team will opt out of the draft lottery for just 5 points, so a lot of teams would start every season with -5.
    Why would anything be messed up? Even if Ottawa forfeited Colorado gets the 9th pick. They had no idea where it would be when they traded for it. I'm sure they'd be happy with the 9th pick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Long live the King View Post
    Why would anything be messed up? Even if Ottawa forfeited Colorado gets the 9th pick. They had no idea where it would be when they traded for it. I'm sure they'd be happy with the 9th pick.
    Not when the team that has the pick finishes dead last and they "normally" would have 100% for a top 4 pick.

    A tournament with teams playing games for other teams picks is not the way to go. Besides, how would the tournament structure be? last place vs 16th last, 2nd last vs 15th last etc? Then the entire bottom 5 is out in round 1 and none of them even picking top 5. This would just help the mediocre teams, not the shitty ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc View Post
    Not when the team that has the pick finishes dead last and they "normally" would have 100% for a top 4 pick.

    A tournament with teams playing games for other teams picks is not the way to go. Besides, how would the tournament structure be? last place vs 16th last, 2nd last vs 15th last etc? Then the entire bottom 5 is out in round 1 and none of them even picking top 5. This would just help the mediocre teams, not the shitty ones.
    Not really. Anything can happen in a 1 game playoff or single elimination tourney.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    Not really. Anything can happen in a 1 game playoff or single elimination tourney.
    It's still not a great idea though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc View Post
    Not when the team that has the pick finishes dead last and they "normally" would have 100% for a top 4 pick.

    A tournament with teams playing games for other teams picks is not the way to go. Besides, how would the tournament structure be? last place vs 16th last, 2nd last vs 15th last etc? Then the entire bottom 5 is out in round 1 and none of them even picking top 5. This would just help the mediocre teams, not the shitty ones.
    Colorado didn't trade for the deadlast pick they traded for Ottawa's first, which was lottery protected, two years ago. Ottawa's play determines where that pick falls, whether during the regular season or in a tournament. Don't like it? Don't trade for another teams first round pick. Go after prospects instead.

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    His argument against picking 1st multiple times in few years are oilers. Oilers who still sucks and still needs help.

    The lottery is fine. Rangers probably ends up only needing one top 3 pick to be legit again, because they’ve been rebuilding very well.


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    I’ve heard a lot the past few days about the lottery and listened to Burke yesterday. I agree with him in that there should be less teams in the lottery.
    LGR!

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    teams 10 thru 15 almost have no chance anyway. they're have like 1% chance

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCCP View Post
    teams 10 thru 15 almost have no chance anyway. they're have like 1% chance
    Yes, you're right...but Chicago just went from 12 to 3.
    These guys missed the playoffs by 6 points. The Rangers missed the playoffs by 20 points.
    To have these two teams picking back to back in the top three is fucking ridiculous.
    Why does Chicago deserve the #3 pick?
    LGR!

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    They dont. They just got lucky.

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