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    Quote Originally Posted by josh View Post
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    I didnít mention him due to the fact he was 25 or so when he took over the starting position.
    Leetch was 19 when he joined the rangers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Puck Head View Post
    I didn’t mention him due to the fact he was 25 or so when he took over the starting position.
    Leetch was 19 when he joined the rangers.


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    Yeah, but isn't that roughly the age range of most starting goalies? 23-25?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    Yeah, but isn't that roughly the age range of most starting goalies? 23-25?
    Which is why he doesnít compare to the impact after a draft like Leetch had or what these two top picks potentially could.


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    I think I'd rather have Kakko than Hughes and have felt that way for quite some time.
    You obviously don't need to be a massive unit in the NHL anymore, but Hughes lack of strength scares me (a little bit). I mean I'm sure he'll be a good player, but I wonder if his skating is so good that he'll be able to dominate at the NHL level despite his physical shortcomings.

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    In as much as Quinn wants his guys to skate through people rather than around them, seems like Kakko would be a better fit.

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    Drafting for a coach is a bad idea, though. Like incredibly bad. NHL coaching shelf lives are notoriously short.


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    Sounds to me like Gorton and Quinn are roughly on the same page for at least the time being re being hard to play against, physical, etc. So while you are probably right, the warning may go unheeded. Exhibit A: the only warm body we get back at Quinn's 1st deadline is Brendan Lemieux.

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    Donít forget Stromeó he plays with an edge as well. He came on an earlier trade but he was acquired.


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    Rangers should pick whoever they feel is the best possible player.

    This narrative that Quinn only wants tough guys confuses me. It's as if fans only know of two styles of hockey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThirtyONE View Post
    Rangers should pick whoever they feel is the best possible player.

    This narrative that Quinn only wants tough guys confuses me. It's as if fans only know of two styles of hockey.
    Don't disagree on the choice. But when fans hear the coach stand up after enough games and use words like "grit" and "edge" enough times and enough players a benched enough times for failure to display said qualities, you may not have to be a weatherman (or Scotty Bowman) to tell which way the wind is blowing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RodrigueGabriel View Post
    Don't disagree on the choice. But when fans hear the coach stand up after enough games and use words like "grit" and "edge" enough times and enough players a benched enough times for failure to display said qualities, you may not have to be a weatherman (or Scotty Bowman) to tell which way the wind is blowing.
    That's a little too simple, I think. Coaches will always talk about "grit" and "edge" because that is what they can influence short-term through sending messages. You can't ask your players to skate faster or shoot more precisely - those are qualities that you work on long-term.

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    A little of topic, but is Podkolzin a lock for the 3rd pick? I see on his EliteProsepct page that all have him as #3 in the upcoming drafts.

    He only played 3 KHL games this season and it looks like Kravtsov had a much better year last year than Podkolzin has this year, so why is he ranked so much higher than Kravtsov was? Is the draft much weaker or am I missing something with Podkolzin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc View Post
    A little of topic, but is Podkolzin a lock for the 3rd pick? I see on his EliteProsepct page that all have him as #3 in the upcoming drafts.

    He only played 3 KHL games this season and it looks like Kravtsov had a much better year last year than Podkolzin has this year, so why is he ranked so much higher than Kravtsov was? Is the draft much weaker or am I missing something with Podkolzin?
    I think he drops. His rank is mostly what he did last season, and in a U17 tournament this season.
    He's a well-rounded player, checks almost all of the boxes, has good size, all zones, and wears a letter in Russia.

    I'm thinking someone takes Byram and Cozens over him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuc View Post
    A little of topic, but is Podkolzin a lock for the 3rd pick? I see on his EliteProsepct page that all have him as #3 in the upcoming drafts.

    He only played 3 KHL games this season and it looks like Kravtsov had a much better year last year than Podkolzin has this year, so why is he ranked so much higher than Kravtsov was? Is the draft much weaker or am I missing something with Podkolzin?
    The Athletic guys aren't as high on him. Wheeler didn't have him in his top 10, Pronman I think had him around 5 or 6.
    The draft is supposed to be stronger on forwards than last years class.
    I don't know much about Podkolzin but it seems like he performs at a very high level wherever he goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravesy View Post
    The Athletic guys aren't as high on him. Wheeler didn't have him in his top 10, Pronman I think had him around 5 or 6.
    The draft is supposed to be stronger on forwards than last years class.
    I don't know much about Podkolzin but it seems like he performs at a very high level wherever he goes.
    This has been the guy I've been thinking could fall to us if we end up drafting between 5-9. I'm a little nervous about loading up on so many Russian players due to the unpredictability but I thought he looked impressive in the little bit I saw of him in the u-20. I'd take him but I think I'll be in the minority here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin View Post
    This has been the guy I've been thinking could fall to us if we end up drafting between 5-9. I'm a little nervous about loading up on so many Russian players due to the unpredictability but I thought he looked impressive in the little bit I saw of him in the u-20. I'd take him but I think I'll be in the minority here.
    If he drops to the 5-9 range, sure. Not a guy I'd move up to 3 to get. And, I'd expect more "Je ne sais quoi" at 3. Same thing with Tkachuk/Kotkaniemi in the top 5 last season. Good players, but not guys I'd label as future franchise players (which is what the Rangers really need from a top 5 pick)
    I certainly take him before Krebs or Boldy, and Dach.
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    Based on nothing more than preliminary research I’m leaning towards the WHL/USDP guys if they pick in that range.
    Krebs, Boldy, Turcotte, Dach.

    Edit Josh What is it you don’t like about those guys?

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    Kakko Overtaking Hughes as the Number One Pick?

    What about Cozens, scouting report on him shows heís a Quinn type of guy. Big, physical, plays in all zones, has a mean streak. This is what the draftanalyst.com has on him:

    Scouting Report

    A high-octane power forward who can play both center and wing, Cozens is the reigning WHL Rookie of the Year after leading all freshman with 22 goals and finishing second in points with 53. He combines all aspects of skating ó quickness, acceleration, balance and agility ó into one dynamic package that allows him to dictate things rather than play reactionary. Cozens is a capable stickhandler who can control the puck at high speeds before making proper decisions more times than not, and heís very good at setting up give-and-goís that position him for one-timers or tap-ins. He owns an excellent shot, both for its velocity and accuracy, plus he can score on his backhand from in close.

    Cozens is very physical and always finishes his checks; at times to a fault, as his desire to mash people into the boards can make him the last forward back on an opposing counterattack. Heís quick enough, however, to eventually catch up and place himself in the right position to ensure there arenít gaps in coverage. Cozens always keeps his feet moving and keeps his stick active, and his quick turns and pivots allow him to stay with his man, especially while heís killing penalties. Overall, heís an excellent 200-foot forward who is very good on draws, can anchor a penalty-killing unit, run a power play and assume top-line duties.

    AND heís a righthanded shot.

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    I like Cozens. Certainly one of my favorites in this draft. I do worry that head to head, Dach has owned him this season.



    Also, whl.ca has a great website, they show live games and provide a ton of highlights for games.
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