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    Quote Originally Posted by BrooklynBoy89 View Post
    Please tell me who you think the top 2 teams in the league are.. I believe they are the current top 2 teams in points.
    ok, great. You think Toronto is better than Washington, Nashville, and Winnepeg?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Long live the King View Post
    ok, great. You think Toronto is better than Washington, Nashville, and Winnepeg?
    Well, my actual argument just then was that Boston and Tampa are the best teams in the league, as well as having the most points in the league. Then as I said, Toronto also has to play those top 2 teams more often than other crappy division leaders... So yes, I’d argue Toronto is currently better than those teams you listed. Maybe come Playoff time that won’t be the case, but so far this year, those other teams have underwhelmed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrooklynBoy89 View Post
    My argument is that currently we have the potential to have the 3/4 best teams in the league, should they finish that way, playing right away. It’s bad for the league. You want the best of the best later on in the Playoffs, as is the way with every other league. As of today, the top 2 teams in the whole league would play in the Conference Semis, when that should only happen in the Conference Finals. It is a disservice to the fans of those teams to have one of them eliminated early. The Bruins should have home ice for 2 rounds minimum. This format they lose that right because they unfortunately play with the best team in the league. It needs to change.
    But this happens in the 1-8 as well. Points aren't always a measure of who the best teams are when divisions are so skewed. Plus, teams who start off slow but finish hot (STL, CAR) aren't necessarily worse than teams who were consistent and could easily beat them in a playoff series.
    Quote Originally Posted by BrooklynBoy89 View Post
    Please tell me who you think the top 2 teams in the league are.. I believe they are the current top 2 teams in points.
    This is a tough sell when the Central is absolutely stacked, relative to the rest of the league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Future View Post
    But this happens in the 1-8 as well. Points aren't always a measure of who the best teams are when divisions are so skewed. Plus, teams who start off slow but finish hot (STL, CAR) aren't necessarily worse than teams who were consistent and could easily beat them in a playoff series.

    This is a tough sell when the Central is absolutely stacked, relative to the rest of the league.
    Well let’s dive into that... You say Central, so I’ll counter with a very meh Metro. Metro has 8 teams to the Centrals 7.

    Metro teams above 80 points:3
    Central teams above 80 points:2

    Metro teams in the 70’s: 3
    Central teams in the 70’s: 4

    Metro has two teams below 67 points.
    Central has 1 tram below 67 points.

    Again, Metro has one more team. I’d argue the Metro is weaker than usual this year and your argument is the Central is absolutely stacked. Looking at them as I just did, I’d say they look the same to me lol.

    Regardless of divisions, the 2 best NHL teams are the Bruins and the Bolts right now.

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    Also, 1-8 this doesn’t happen. The Bruins and Bolts would never play 1st or 2nd round.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrooklynBoy89 View Post
    Also, 1-8 this doesn’t happen. The Bruins and Bolts would never play 1st or 2nd round.
    That's not what he meant. 1-8 Tampa and Boston still have the benefit of playing in a division with Ottawa, Detroit, Florida, and Buffalo more than anyone else which inflates their point total.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrooklynBoy89 View Post
    Well let’s dive into that... You say Central, so I’ll counter with a very meh Metro. Metro has 8 teams to the Centrals 7.

    Metro teams above 80 points:3
    Central teams above 80 points:2

    Metro teams in the 70’s: 3
    Central teams in the 70’s: 4

    Metro has two teams below 67 points.
    Central has 1 tram below 67 points.

    Again, Metro has one more team. I’d argue the Metro is weaker than usual this year and your argument is the Central is absolutely stacked. Looking at them as I just did, I’d say they look the same to me lol.

    Regardless of divisions, the 2 best NHL teams are the Bruins and the Bolts right now.
    Again you're looking at point totals to tell you who is good, and not who the teams play and what they do on the actual ice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Long live the King View Post
    That's not what he meant. 1-8 Tampa and Boston still have the benefit of playing in a division with Ottawa, Detroit, Florida, and Buffalo more than anyone else which inflates their point total.
    Lol do we have to go over this again? Toronto also has the disadvantage of playing the best 2 teams in the league (whether u want to believe the point totals or not) more than anyone else, which hurts their point totals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Long live the King View Post
    Again you're looking at point totals to tell you who is good, and not who the teams play and what they do on the actual ice.
    Again. Are you telling me that when you watch the B’s and Bolts you don’t think they are the best?!? Serious question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrooklynBoy89 View Post
    Again. Are you telling me that when you watch the B’s and Bolts you don’t think they are the best?!? Serious question.
    You just compared two divisions, that neither one of those teams play in, using nothing but total points.

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    when it was 1 vs 8 playoff format, I thought It was uninteresting. you knew that the top team would beat the 8th seed, what was the point watching? same with 2nd seed vs 7th.
    3rd vs 6th and 4th vs 5th is where it could go either way, so i'd focus more on these teams. now all series are interesting in the first round

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    Quote Originally Posted by Long live the King View Post
    You just compared two divisions, that neither one of those teams play in, using nothing but total points.
    Well yes, when someone says one division is “Stacked” compared to the others... I felt like I should point out there’s another division that is nearly identical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCCP View Post
    when it was 1 vs 8 playoff format, I thought It was uninteresting. you knew that the top team would beat the 8th seed, what was the point watching? same with 2nd seed vs 7th.
    3rd vs 6th and 4th vs 5th is where it could go either way, so i'd focus more on these teams. now all series are interesting in the first round
    Well, judging by what others have said, often times points don’t matter and don’t tell who is the best. So a 2-7 may actually feature some of the best teams in the league. And in the case when a 2-7 is an underdog story, I find It way more exciting to root for the upset. Sure a 2-3 in the first round is exciting, but you’re risking losing one of the best teams in the league early on, weakening the field going forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrooklynBoy89 View Post
    Well yes, when someone says one division is “Stacked” compared to the others... I felt like I should point out there’s another division that is nearly identical.
    Except its not nearly identical. The schedules are very, very different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Long live the King View Post
    Except its not nearly identical. The schedules are very, very different.
    You used the Lightning’s schedule and playing “weaker” teams more than others as an advantage for them. But when I point out 2 divisions that have all VERY similar teams, one of which has the last 2 Cup Champs in It, as being not nearly identical LOL. Then you claim it’s because the schedules are different. There’s no winning this argument. I laid out the facts. The best teams in the NHL the last few years have resided in the Metro, they also have statistically, some of the strongest “weak” teams, and yet that’s still not good enough for you. I’m not even sure what your point is at this time because It seems like you just don’t want to admit the Bolts and Bruins are the 2 best teams, or that the Metro and Central are relatively the same division.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrooklynBoy89 View Post
    Well, judging by what others have said, often times points don’t matter and don’t tell who is the best. So a 2-7 may actually feature some of the best teams in the league. And in the case when a 2-7 is an underdog story, I find It way more exciting to root for the upset. Sure a 2-3 in the first round is exciting, but you’re risking losing one of the best teams in the league early on, weakening the field going forward.
    how often does an upset happen in 1 vs 8 or 2 vs 7? once every 10 years, maybe more? 2nd round has always been more exciting for me than 1st. now all rounds are exciting, even if one of the better teams is out

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCCP View Post
    how often does an upset happen in 1 vs 8 or 2 vs 7? once every 10 years, maybe more? 2nd round has always been more exciting for me than 1st. now all rounds are exciting, even if one of the better teams is out
    A quick google search of the last time we had 1-8, back in 2013, revealed that BOTH 6 seeds won, a 7 seed beat a 2 seed, and a 5 seed beat a 4. So out of 8 matchups, 4 times the lower seed won.. That’s 1 years worth of data. Upsets happen in the NHL all the time.

    The BIGGEST problem with the new format again, is that It forces teams that play great all year, to be the road team in an early series. That’s a HUGE problem. You work all year to get home ice, POSSIBLY ending up as the 2nd best team in the whole league, just to be the road team in your 2nd round matchup. That blows.

    EDIT! Just realized BOTH 7 seeds won the last time we had 1-8. Sooo yeah, let’s go back to that.
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    https://www.nhl.com/standings/2018/league
    If you look at the standings 1-16 it's really Tampa Bay... then a cluster of everybody else.
    So if you want to be 'fair' and ignore travel and rivalries currently

    Lightning vs Stars; Bruins vs Blue Jackets; Flames vs Blues; Sharks vs Knights; Leafs vs Canadiens; Islanders vs Hurricanes; Caps vs Penguins; Preds vs Jets

    which would be fine

    any time you add conferences and divisions and an unbalanced schedule (15 teams one side; 16 on the other) things are going to get warped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fletch View Post
    https://www.nhl.com/standings/2018/league
    If you look at the standings 1-16 it's really Tampa Bay... then a cluster of everybody else.
    So if you want to be 'fair' and ignore travel and rivalries currently

    Lightning vs Stars; Bruins vs Blue Jackets; Flames vs Blues; Sharks vs Knights; Leafs vs Canadiens; Islanders vs Hurricanes; Caps vs Penguins; Preds vs Jets

    which would be fine

    any time you add conferences and divisions and an unbalanced schedule (15 teams one side; 16 on the other) things are going to get warped.
    Love this idea.

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