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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    If we're going to be ignorantly dismissive, I'm going to be ignorantly dismissive back. I never made it past high school hockey (but for light weekend play in college), but I like to think that I have at least some sembalnce of understanding what it is I'm talking about. I sure as hell am no economist or mathematician, for that matter, but am I a complete fool for writing on salary cap trends and justifications?

    It's the same point I keep trying to drive home here to move you off the hard-and-fast rule you want to paint the writing/reporting world with.
    Most don’t make it past HS hockey for one reason or another. So if you played for all those years, you don’t have more respect for the guys that have? I’m not trying to zing you here, but why don’t your BSB buddies post here? Seems odd to me.
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    Sure, and I completely understand all of that. But that's all the more reason to address those writers specifically, rather than just ripping the entire industry, which is what's still being done here. Vodka just did it like two posts ago.

    Greg Wyshynski and Jeff Marek are both hockey commentators, but I think you'd agree have very different levels of understanding of the game itself, it's history, etc. I also think it's entirely fair to treat Wysh, who is more prone to hot takes, differently than you'd treat Marek. (Insert any other combo of writers/commentators/what have you if they don't work).

    What I'm asking is that you extend that same courtesy to writers. From Brooks to Herman to Bourne to whatever that hot dog guy in Toronto's name is. Some of them absolutely deserve the criticism they get for narrative-driving or dogpiling or flapping their wholesale ignorance on any given subject to the world. But it's their issue. Not "the industry."

    Does that make sense?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Most don’t make it past HS hockey for one reason or another. So if you played for all those years, you don’t have more respect for the guys that have? I’m not trying to zing you here, but why don’t your BSB buddies post here? Seems odd to me.
    Yeah, I wasn't that good. I also had no desire to play professionally (given I wasn't very good) and eventually grew out of love with playing (though never with watching).

    As to respect, of course I do. I firmly believe that the best writers write better because they benefit from the insight of smarter people they talk to. What makes Brooks, for example, a great writer isn't just prose, it's his ability to ask the right questions by having a pulse on what he knows the audience wants to know. It's a combination of reverence and relevance. The same would go for LeBrun or Baker or Strang or anyone putting in the work.

    As to why the BSB guys don't post here, I have no idea. My guess is between Twitter and writing for the pubs they do (Vox, The Athletic, wherever), they don't have much interest in repeating their arguments more than twice (which is probably already too much).

    Vox/SB Nation also have a comments section where these same conversations are had on articles that are written where some of them also post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    Sure, and I completely understand all of that. But that's all the more reason to address those writers specifically, rather than just ripping the entire industry, which is what's still being done here. Vodka just did it like two posts ago.

    Greg Wyshynski and Jeff Marek are both hockey commentators, but I think you'd agree have very different levels of understanding of the game itself, it's history, etc. I also think it's entirely fair to treat Wysh, who is more prone to hot takes, differently than you'd treat Marek. (Insert any other combo of writers/commentators/what have you if they don't work).

    What I'm asking is that you extend that same courtesy to writers. From Brooks to Herman to Bourne to whatever that hot dog guy in Toronto's name is. Some of them absolutely deserve the criticism they get for narrative-driving or dogpiling or flapping their wholesale ignorance on any given subject to the world. But it's their issue. Not "the industry."

    Does that make sense?
    Yes, that makes sense, but most of that group does the same thing. I know you write for them, but by you pushing their articles here makes you as guilty as they are. Does that make sense? And why don’t they post here? My opinion is that they can’t get away with their nonsense here like they can on Twitter. They could write a blog about how the Rangers should tie Pionk to the adopted puppy and shoot pucks at them, and their followers would be like “Yeah dude! Great read !” Tell me I’m wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Yes, that makes sense, but most of that group does the same thing. I know you write for them, but by you pushing their articles here makes you as guilty as they are. Does that make sense?
    I serve multiple audiences. I have a duty to post content here to drive discussion, as well as there, given they pay me to write for them. It's the same reason I also share other goingson around the league and the team. I don't always agree with everything Brooks has to say, but if he writes an interesting column, I'm posting it, because I know that our users will respond. That's the point of the forum — to engage in debate and argument.

    Hell, I've probably posted shit from Mark Madden or some other writer I find infuriating in the past, specifically because I knew it would generate conversation. It wasn't tacit approval of whatever they had to say.

    And why don’t they post here? My opinion is that they can’t get away with their nonsense here like they can on Twitter. They could write a blog about how the Rangers should tie Pionk to the adopted puppy and shoot pucks at them, and their followers would be like “Yeah dude! Great read !” Tell me I’m wrong.
    Well, Twitter is a curated experience, so no, you're not wrong. It's a bit of a fundamental flaw in the platform, because you tend to follow people who agree with you, who in turn, tend to follow those they agree with. That leads to a lot of backpatting and lends to the appearance of groupthink even if it's not actually true.

    You could be right, though. They could see the type of reactions that are often posted here and think "I'd rather not try my hand at that." It's entirely possible. I have no idea. I've honestly never asked. To my knowledge, the only one who used to post here was Herman, and that was years ago, well before he joined Banter.

    It could be an age thing, as well. Forums are generally an older platform, which is why most users (globally) fall in that 30-49 age range, if not higher. Twitter, on the other hand, skews much younger.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil in Absentia View Post
    Yeah, I wasn't that good. I also had no desire to play professionally (given I wasn't very good) and eventually grew out of love with playing (though never with watching).

    As to respect, of course I do. I firmly believe that the best writers write better because they benefit from the insight of smarter people they talk to. What makes Brooks, for example, a great writer isn't just prose, it's his ability to ask the right questions by having a pulse on what he knows the audience wants to know. It's a combination of reverence and relevance. The same would go for LeBrun or Baker or Strang or anyone putting in the work.

    As to why the BSB guys don't post here, I have no idea. My guess is between Twitter and writing for the pubs they do (Vox, The Athletic, wherever), they don't have much interest in repeating their arguments more than twice (which is probably already too much).

    Vox/SB Nation also have a comments section where these same conversations are had on articles that are written where some of them also post.
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    Side note: I had to play like Ryan Callahan when I was younger or I’d never make a team. I think that’s why I hate him.
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    So about Hajek...

    I believe I said way back at the beginning of this thread that he was struggling a lot in Hartford, which was true, and I also said that he was still one of my favorite prospects and that I was excited to see him called up. Even with him struggling there I was not yet worried about him as a prospect due to his pedigree and track record.

    Now the fact that we're seeing what we've seen I think proves more than anything that the coaching staff in Hartford is an absolute train wreck and I hope for the sake of this organization that there is a change made this offseason. They need a full overhaul. They're absolutely terrible at both winning and developing. That was a talented team going into the year and they have been awful and several players seem to have regressed, especially defenseman. They only players they seem to be helping are the grinders.

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    Another solid game for Hajek, including enough confidence from Quinn to use him on the 5 on 3 PK.. 50% increase in sample size. So far, so good.

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    Yup. Made a bad decision to pinch that lead to a 2 on 1, but apart from that very solid again.

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    How old is this kid? 21? Lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    How old is this kid? 21? Lol
    Yep, 3rd NHL game
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    How old is this kid? 21? Lol
    The 3 posts preceding yours are giving him a positive review from last night. What's the problem?

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    Still a very small sample size with the kid. But I've watched him pretty closely the last few games; His reactions seem to be instinctively good, and that's a great sign. He moves the puck well and plays with seemingly good insight as to where to go with the puck...better yet, WHERE NOT TO GO WITH THE PUCK.

    I absolutely LOVED the submarine hip check behind the net last night. Matter of fact I left a little pee stain in my pants after that hit!

    But yeah, I like him so far. The kid shows some good promise.

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    i'm not a player but i did stay in a holiday inn last nite....
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    Rangers Re-Call D Libor Hajek

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Not being good isnít all that important. Itís not easy, as youíre aware. I wasnít a talented player, but I love the game and xís and oís, pp, pk, etc .. Love teaching it. Love watching kids that have talent, evaluate them, and get positive feed back on recruits.

    Side note: I had to play like Ryan Callahan when I was younger or Iíd never make a team. I think thatís why I hate him.
    I say we move on from the bloggers and writers and start to focus more on Jackie Redmond and the likes of...smokeshow

    This might need its own thread, women of hockey or sports...may turn into a hot chicks thread, doooooo it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gravesy View Post
    The 3 posts preceding yours are giving him a positive review from last night. What's the problem?
    No problem. He’s fuckin 21. A lot of critiquing his first AHL season prior to his 1st game. Not saying he’s gonna be a stud, bust, a #4-5, etc ... It’s only 3 games, he’s only 21. The only thing I’d put minimal weight into is that he’s not playing on a team playing meaningful games. The only thing meaningful about them is that this is a tryout for some of the guys for next season. Once his initial jitters went away, he’s handled it well.
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    they only thing to take out of this next 20 or so games is the idea that jobs are being competed for. given the efforts seen in the last 4 close losses I'd say that the team has figured this out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vodka Drunkenski View Post
    I say we move on from the bloggers and writers and start to focus more on Jackie Redmond and the likes of...smokeshow
    Yesssssssssssssssssss

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    Glad to see him up here,I know some fans who are down a little on him ,but you never know some players games transforms better to the nhl than to the ahl ,come to think Ryan MdDonagh was one of those players who adjusted better at the nhl level

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    Love his game so far despite the small sample size. IDGAF if he doesn't put up points. Seems to be a solid SAH. On a team lacking defense it's great to see.

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